tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post2144737658297599327..comments2024-03-28T18:39:59.184-07:00Comments on SearchReSearch: SearchResearch Challenge (8/8/18): How to find difficult to find web pages? (Part 1) Dan Russellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-31581450091718127512018-08-17T12:26:07.107-07:002018-08-17T12:26:07.107-07:00Oops I think I contained my search queries in the ...Oops I think I contained my search queries in the wrong kind of bracket and they haven't shown up. My initial search was something like [author dispute wikipedia] but that just threw up Wikipedia pages about verification and rules for authors. So then I tried something like [author dispute -site:wikipedia.org] to exclude all the Wiki entries (learnt this from you ages ago!) and had success.ikijibikihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13283403889630069456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-18267858194476388922018-08-16T08:25:16.086-07:002018-08-16T08:25:16.086-07:00That's great (that it didn't take long). ...That's great (that it didn't take long). Do you remember your actual queries that led you to the answer? Dan Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-6842723303290997812018-08-16T07:11:27.110-07:002018-08-16T07:11:27.110-07:00Exactly right!
Exactly right! <br />Dan Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-10336600423834475082018-08-15T10:39:02.556-07:002018-08-15T10:39:02.556-07:00This is a great solution, but note that you don...This is a great solution, but note that you don't need the single quotes in your query. (Google actually throws them out when doing the search... They are NOT the same as double-quotes! A search for [ "correcting a Wikipedia page" "novelist"] gives 0 results! Dan Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-16718613897547771302018-08-14T05:51:33.742-07:002018-08-14T05:51:33.742-07:00It seems like both these challenges were aimed at ...It seems like both these challenges were aimed at using site:, in the first one [-site:wikipedia.org] so that the term [wikipedia] in the search was looking for the word, not the site. And for the snake [site:nj.gov]. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05771391220758627361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-53877897141632310622018-08-11T18:03:56.982-07:002018-08-11T18:03:56.982-07:00Pew teen searchResearch… G/YT reeling them in…<a href="http://www.pewinternet.org/2018/05/31/teens-social-media-technology-2018/" rel="nofollow">Pew teen searchResearch… G/YT reeling them in…</a>remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-71047820991430193282018-08-11T10:51:38.044-07:002018-08-11T10:51:38.044-07:00bits on the southern black racer
…the stuff of nig...<a href="https://owlcation.com/stem/Facts-about-Southern-Black-Racer-Snakes" rel="nofollow">bits on the southern black racer</a><br />…the stuff of nightmares:<br /><a href="http://tinyurl.com/y8hxamc6" rel="nofollow">SERP - see 7 entries down - Feb 17, 2017 - a type of racer</a><br /><a href="https://www.fastcompany.com/3068093/heres-the-story-behind-that-scary-iguana-vs-snakes-planet-earth-ii-clip" rel="nofollow">imagine chasing Tony Soprano in NJ</a>remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-68377675033830820902018-08-10T18:56:06.169-07:002018-08-10T18:56:06.169-07:00worth the read<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/16/books/review/philip-roth-interview.html" rel="nofollow">worth the read</a>remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-54771426915362083542018-08-09T17:24:18.402-07:002018-08-09T17:24:18.402-07:00The Atlantic take (you seem to be a fan of theirs…...<a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/09/internet-stain-philip-roth-wikipedia-entry/323839/" rel="nofollow">The Atlantic take (you seem to be a fan of theirs…good pic of Roth from Sept.7,2012 article - <br />Born: March 19, 1933, Newark, NJ<br />Died: May 22, 2018, Manhattan, New York City, NY )</a>remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-71208167861892939542018-08-09T13:31:08.573-07:002018-08-09T13:31:08.573-07:00Snakes: I searched for ["black racer" sn...Snakes: I searched for ["black racer" snake site:.nj.gov], guessing that the state government of New Jersery would have such a url. It does!<br />https://www.nj.gov/dep/fgw/ensp/pdf/snake_id_south.pdf<br /><br />BTW I'm glad we don't have any snakes in New Zealand!ikijibikihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13283403889630069456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-44144634706134418162018-08-09T13:23:14.728-07:002018-08-09T13:23:14.728-07:00I tried and but they both led to lots of Wikiped...I tried and but they both led to lots of Wikipedia pages about verifying and editing articles on Wikipedia. So then I tried and the fourth result was<br />https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2012/sep/19/why-philip-roth-needs-secondary-source<br />On reading that article I realised that the first result in my search list was actually the article Philip Roth wrote:<br />https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/an-open-letter-to-wikipedia<br />Didn't take long! ikijibikihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13283403889630069456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-43511457043338956442018-08-09T12:44:49.373-07:002018-08-09T12:44:49.373-07:00Searched more in Spanish about the Author as a cre...Searched more in Spanish about the Author as a credible source:<br /><br />With [escritor fuente creíble Wikipedia disputa] found <br /><br /><a href="https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Tiempo-libre/Philip-Roth-enfrentado-a-Wikipedia-por-articulo-sobre-novela-uc178773" rel="nofollow">Philip Roth enfrentado a Wikipedia por artículo sobre novela</a><br />Is the same article, just different publisher. The difference was only in the way of finding it.<br /><br />Also found<br /><a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflicto_de_Bicholim" rel="nofollow">Not related but interesting</a><br /><br />About the snake: <br /><br />With [black racer snake new jersey government publications]<br /><br /><a href="https://co.monmouth.nj.us/documents/127/snakes_september_2014.pdf" rel="nofollow">Snakes of e Monmouth County</a> Includes the definition of the 3 different types of snakesRamon Gonzalezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16129830563029534511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-82693793870515453002018-08-09T11:36:12.341-07:002018-08-09T11:36:12.341-07:00Can you help my fading memory and find an article ...Can you help my fading memory and find an article about the black racer snake that’s published by the state of New Jersey as part of their educational outreach program? <br /><br />[new jersey racer snake] finds at the top of page https://www.state.nj.us/dep/fgw/ensp/pdf/snake_broch07.pdf <br /><br />It is a really well done folder/poster about snakes generally and particularly such as #9 your Black Racerjonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06450649073262987652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-7486461971649731232018-08-09T11:29:04.232-07:002018-08-09T11:29:04.232-07:00Who was the famous US author that was involved in ...Who was the famous US author that was involved in a dispute with Wikipedia over the accuracy of the entry describing his novel? <br /><br />[conflict of interest wikipedia] finds Philip Roth. [roth wikipedia] in News finds his open letter to Wikipedia in the New Yorker at https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/an-open-letter-to-wikipedia jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06450649073262987652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-90687016195821490692018-08-09T11:10:17.910-07:002018-08-09T11:10:17.910-07:00Used unedited string 'famous US author that wa...Used unedited string 'famous US author that was involved in a dispute with Wikipedia over the accuracy' in Google search box. Saw that Wikipedia has 'List of Wikipedia controversies'. Followed link on that page and did Ctrl+F to search for 'novel', which identified Philip Roth, and then followed the links to footnotes 204 and 205, the second of which took me to an archived blog entry which had a link to Roth's New Yorker open letter to Wikipedia.David Mackinderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01418303910448201961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-51624594769983475492018-08-09T09:02:38.098-07:002018-08-09T09:02:38.098-07:00Who was the famous US author that was involved in ...Who was the famous US author that was involved in a dispute with Wikipedia over the accuracy of the entry describing his novel? <br /><br />[wikipedia author entry his own novel] [wikipedia entry author controversy] [famous author dispute wikipedia entry primary sources own work]<br /><br /><a href="https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/an-open-letter-to-wikipedia" rel="nofollow">An Open Letter to Wikipedia</a><br /><br />In Spanish same translated query doesn’t work to get results [escritor wikipedia entrada propia novela]. Tried other changing some words and adding others, without results You need to [ Philip Roth Wikipedia] <br /><br /><a href="https://www.abc.es/cultura/libros/abci-philip-roth-peleo-wikipedia-201805231249_noticia.html" rel="nofollow">El día que Philip Roth se peleó con Wikipedia</a><br /><br />Answer: Philip Roth <br /><br /><br />Can you help my fading memory and find an article about the black racer snake that’s published by the state of New Jersey as part of their educational outreach program? <br /><br />["black racer snake" intext:"New Jersey" educational program]<br /><br />[New Jersey educational program intext:"black racer snake"]<br /><br />With these and similar just found <br /><br /><a href="https://statesymbolsusa.org/symbol-official-item/ohio/state-reptile/black-racer" rel="nofollow">Ohio designated the black racer snake (Coluber constrictor constrictor) as the official state reptile in 1995. </a><br /><br />Then remember Search Lessons and as the article Dr. Russell is searching is published by an State and it is official. Decided to try Site tool<br /><br />[New Jersey pages code internet] to find they use “NJ” <br /><br />[black racer snake site:nj.gov educational program]<br /><br />[intext:"black racer snake" site:nj.gov] <br /><br /><a href="https://www.nj.gov/dep/fgw/ensp/pdf/literature/2010_pinesnake_rep_stafford.pdf" rel="nofollow">2010 Annual Northern Pine Snake Monitoring and Radio-tracking Report, at the Stafford Business Park, Stafford Township, Ocean County, New Jersey</a><br /><br />[black racer snake educational program in url:nj]<br /><br /><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_snakes_of_New_Jersey" rel="nofollow">List of snakes of New Jersey</a><br /><br /><a href="url" rel="nofollow">Non-venomous Snakes Commonly Mistaken for Rattlesnakes</a><br />Ramon Gonzalezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16129830563029534511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-86660186005871669002018-08-09T07:31:58.111-07:002018-08-09T07:31:58.111-07:00I searched american author wikipedia dispute. F...I searched american author wikipedia dispute. First result was <br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV_dispute<br /><br />Clicking on various links took me to this one and I remember this, as it was covered in the press, so I assume that is the one that you were looking for.<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Seigenthaler_biography_incidentJudith Koveleskiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05686078490309832332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-13215015765610268822018-08-09T07:05:49.662-07:002018-08-09T07:05:49.662-07:00Good Morning Dan and Dan-fans. Am working to avoid...Good Morning Dan and Dan-fans. Am working to avoid writing--always works to read email first! So, what we're trying to teach kids in doing searches like this is to 'think like Google' and not to get too wrapped up in a search that goes no where. I tried a few things within Wikipedia first -- like 'author'/controversy etc. but after 30 seconds realized that yes, I could probably toy with it, but better to try something else. So, back to my browser, where I searched ['correcting a wikipedia page' 'novelist'] and there, as first result was Philip Roth in a Fox News article (okay--not the most reliable, I get it) but result #2 was Roth's "open letter to Wikipedia" (https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/an-open-letter-to-wikipedia), published in the New Yorker. Google informed me that it searched without quotes (the quotes around 'novelist' were by mistake, but for some inexplicable reason (Dan?) they worked better, as I repeated the search without novelist in quotes and the best results were farther down. Total time: about 90 seconds. Why did I think of 'novelist' rather than author, as Dan's query specified a 'famous US author'? Because I, too, faintly remembered it was a prominent writer; novelist seemed like more of a unique search term than either 'author' or 'writer', both of which I would have tried had 'novelist' not panned out. Whenever I do something like this, I recall Betsy Sparrow's incredible work at Columbia that shows that we are encoding information in new ways in a digital society by remembering not the information itself but how we can recall it using our browsers!MEMORY-HISTORY-EDUCATION bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08662641164092751112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-71637970801848766682018-08-09T07:00:34.414-07:002018-08-09T07:00:34.414-07:00a side note on today's doodle…
Mary Golda Ross...a side note on today's doodle…<br /><a href="https://www.cherokeephoenix.org/Article/Index/2470" rel="nofollow">Mary Golda Ross</a><br /><a href="http://time.com/5362032/google-doodle-mary-g-ross-native-american-engineer/" rel="nofollow">8/9/18 doodle, left the ball from Los Altos</a>remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-80486569862124820312018-08-09T06:58:29.494-07:002018-08-09T06:58:29.494-07:00tried : author dispute wikipedia : 10th down phili...tried : author dispute wikipedia : 10th down philip roth guardian articleD. Lazarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13434414049407572220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-27300886516233860202018-08-09T06:57:55.332-07:002018-08-09T06:57:55.332-07:00tried : author dispute wikipedia : 10th down phili...tried : author dispute wikipedia : 10th down philip roth guardian articleD. Lazarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13434414049407572220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-1770892916065872792018-08-08T23:04:06.048-07:002018-08-08T23:04:06.048-07:001.
Tried a bunch of queries like wikipedia author...1. <br />Tried a bunch of queries like wikipedia author dispute novel \\<br />but SERPs were not productive.<br />Finally just tried <br />author sues wikipedia<br />And from those SERPs well take your pick of famous authors - there are evidently quite a few with bones to pick including JK Rowling<br /><br />2.<br /><br />snake "black racer" site:nj.gov<br /><br />4th search result<br /><br />https://www.nj.gov/dep/fgw/ensp/pdf/species/no_black_racer.pdfUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15003264283246375959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-12809741455079178292018-08-08T17:40:11.395-07:002018-08-08T17:40:11.395-07:001. I tried a few different similar searches to no ...1. I tried a few different similar searches to no avail, but ultimately tried<br />Google: dispute with author over book wikipedia entry<br /><br />The first page had the answer on the fourth and fifth links. Philip Roth.<br /><br />~~<br /><br />The funny thing is I didn't notice that the answer was there at first, and I actually found the answer in a more roundabout way, because I noticed the link to the Wikipedia:Notability (Books) article (which was actually presented as the "boxed answer" on Google). There I saw the phrase "Wikipedia's Policy on Verifiability" and I figured that must have been involved in this case. So I searched<br />Google: wikipedia's policy on verifiability book author<br /><br />On page 2, I found a link on "The Case of Philip Roth vs. Wikipedia", giving me the answer.<br /><br />2. I didn't try this, because I'm scared of snakes. :)SpiritualLadderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16364262665378016881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-41657956819641456822018-08-08T14:45:46.435-07:002018-08-08T14:45:46.435-07:00preview function/button doesn't seem to be wor...preview function/button doesn't seem to be working - will try to post anyway…<br />…used wikipedia… (fwiw, also considered Aaron Swartz…)<br /><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130430141454/http://quominus.org/archives/979" rel="nofollow">"the author <b>Philip Roth</b> is having a spat with Wikipedia over its coverage of his book The Human Stain"</a><br />found here: [⌘F'd 'author']<br /><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedia_controversies" rel="nofollow">List of Wikipedia controversies</a><br />not the NJ source you seek, but a nice pic<br /><a href="https://www.whatsnakeisthat.com/category/region/southwest/california/" rel="nofollow">Racer Coluber constrictor</a><br /><a href="https://www.njfishandwildlife.com/ensp/pdf/snake_broch14.pdf" rel="nofollow"> a NJFW pdf</a>remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-76621858204031588982018-08-08T14:14:19.676-07:002018-08-08T14:14:19.676-07:00After a bit of frustration, I arrived at the query...After a bit of frustration, I arrived at the query [author wikipedia accuracy "his novel" -site:wikipedia.org] which revealed an article about Philip Roth from the guardian, and I was able to quickly find his article on the New Yorker. Hopefully that's right.Conradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10648404171459640043noreply@blogger.com