tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post3106553210922932757..comments2024-03-28T18:39:59.184-07:00Comments on SearchReSearch: Answer: How hard can it be? What color is the roof? Dan Russellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-80494804165350963062013-06-30T18:49:35.458-07:002013-06-30T18:49:35.458-07:00perhaps search has a dualistic aspect that allows ...perhaps search has a dualistic aspect that allows for simultaneous obfuscation and clarity -<br />you don't work on the side for any of the 3-4 letter organizations that specialize in such activity<br />NSA, IRS, GCHQ, SIS, SRS, etc.. do you?<br />Dan, you seemed to be getting your " Werfel" on with that explanation - that was about as clear as pixelated<br />blur mud, but I'm also curiously satisfied with the response… the only thing that might have been better: if your response<br />had been in Dutch. searching on ;•0 sometimes…<br /><a href="http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3v11fr/" rel="nofollow">Dutch ducks</a><br />for M. Newport:<br /><a href="https://twitter.com/MishkaHenner" rel="nofollow">Henner T</a><br /><a href="http://www.granta.com/New-Writing/Dutch-Landscapes" rel="nofollow">D landscapes</a><br /><a href="http://6thfloor.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/28/erasing-americans/?_r=0" rel="nofollow">“Less Américains”</a>remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-81063282572543156832013-06-29T07:55:30.436-07:002013-06-29T07:55:30.436-07:00Mystery solved? http://dailyserving.com/2013/06/a-...Mystery solved? http://dailyserving.com/2013/06/a-different-kind-of-order/ [Page is partially NSFW)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16261907381393644079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-64733359573042278082013-06-26T10:07:20.002-07:002013-06-26T10:07:20.002-07:00@Jon @Remiij -- You know, sometimes you get false ...@Jon @Remiij -- You know, sometimes you get false clues. An important part of doing this kind of research is to learning to identify what's "signal" vs. what's not useful. In this case, the blurred number was a pure accident. I noticed that, but didn't think it was all that important because you can see #3 and #7 and can figure out where #5 is. So, although it defies logic, it's true that the address was more-or-less randomly chosen. (I just wanted to have a specific address for that building block. I picked 5 randomly. Really.) But it makes a good point--sometimes there ARE things that look like clues... but aren't. Dan Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-9763683492626962852013-06-26T08:48:32.856-07:002013-06-26T08:48:32.856-07:00remmij Asks the same question I wondered about. W...remmij Asks the same question I wondered about. Why specify the only house number that is fuzzed out (along with portions of the house) ?<br /><br />This I thought was a key part of the Challenge. Apparently not. Why not ?<br /><br />jonjonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06450649073262987652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-83747705615372754992013-06-21T20:36:47.345-07:002013-06-21T20:36:47.345-07:00Doctor D - felt like I was missing something, so i...Doctor D - felt like I was missing something, so i asked a friend who works as an analyst to have a look at the questions you posed… fresh eyes on target, so to speak. What she looked at was the way you framed the question and what you ask about. Why out of all the buildings & addresses in the blurred area did you pick that specific apartment block on that specific street and why that specific apartment number - the only one out of the dozen (1-23 odd) that is blurred in street view - the number, door handle area and a portion of the window are obscured in the same manner street view deals with car tags & faces, etc.. Like I said, she wasn't interested in the search aspect, but rather what you revealed (or didn't) with the way you ask the question… all of which leaves me wondering: what did you know and when did you know it, going into this question? You must have known something about Beatrixstraat 5 beforehand -<br />it defies logic that you would have randomly picked that address in blurred overhead view area. Whatever the reason for the overall blur on Noordwijk is, it may remain a mystery, but you must have some idea what is going on with Beatrixstraat 5 and that is why you picked it - you'd be <i>"cheating"</i> if you didn't share. Ever stay at Violet's?<br /><a href="http://goo.gl/maps/PXRfZ" rel="nofollow">#5</a><br />just because this reminds me of the Goo campus -<br /><a href="http://telecom.esa.int/telecom/media/img/hiresimage/satellitemultimediaforcars_esa.jpg" rel="nofollow">ESA</a>remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-20017656528537898502013-06-21T08:56:12.184-07:002013-06-21T08:56:12.184-07:00apologies - near ESTEC
missing DECOS correctedapologies - near ESTEC<br /><a href="http://goo.gl/maps/OM5r1" rel="nofollow">missing DECOS corrected</a><br /><br />remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-10221209447369627822013-06-21T04:48:37.697-07:002013-06-21T04:48:37.697-07:00Posting this late but good to know that we were on...Posting this late but good to know that we were on the right track. My colleague Anne and I were able to find the color of the roof by searching street views as others did. That didn't take long at all. We thought we hit on the answer to the map being obscured when we did a search and found an article on the ESTEC. We thought we hit the answer rather quickly. But then when we searched the map we saw it was outside of the blurred area. We did a lot of searching in street view and saw that the site appears to be a school. We saw the name of the school on the building and looked that up trying to find some clues. At that point we had to stop because we had other work we had to get to. This was a really interesting search. Debra Gottslebenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08074610468240387547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-37455395276013670822013-06-21T04:22:38.607-07:002013-06-21T04:22:38.607-07:00This one fooled me all around. I didn't think ...This one fooled me all around. I didn't think of alternatives etc and I believed the Estec explanation until I read the comments and realised my fellow search researchers were correct!<br />Not covered myself in glory this week - must do better next time. But I have learnt something and that's the point, isn't it?<br />On a semi related point about misinformation perpetuating on the net, there's a piece on BBC news site about a school librarian who has discovered a poem falsely attributed to William Blake on the net. <br /><br />http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/education-22971225<br /><br />Another lesson in double check your resources!<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03024498995853851022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-4333831632009302722013-06-20T14:53:06.458-07:002013-06-20T14:53:06.458-07:00forgot to mention a nice little discovery out of s...forgot to mention a nice little discovery out of searching in and around Noordwijk - found this:<br /><a href="http://www.archdaily.com/193996/decos-inbo/" rel="nofollow">DECOS</a><br /><a href="http://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/21/decos-technology-group-headquarters-by-inbo-architects/" rel="nofollow">more DECOS</a><br />and this little mystery:<br /><a href="https://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&oe=UTF-8&q=Noordwijk,%C2%A0+Netherlands&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x47c5ea63aa902a2f:0x702f6686f8afb9ce,Noordwijk,+The+Netherlands&gl=us&ei=kUXDUY-GIcLIyAGI2oCQCg&ved=0CCEQ8gEoADAB" rel="nofollow">missing DECOS</a>remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-80742865681217683772013-06-20T14:40:44.745-07:002013-06-20T14:40:44.745-07:00Yes, I could go to the next building at the Google...<i>Yes, I could go to the next building at the Googleplex and ask, but that would be cheating! We’re trying to figure this out from the open web.</i><br />— wouldn't this fall under the recently described "<b>ground truth</b>"?<br />is it really concern over "cheating"/having an advantage not available to all?<br />(and isn't that a key element to effective search?) or is there a NTK element in that "next building" and you run the risk of being vaporized for the imprudent query?;•)<br />If Google is implementing the blur at a request, then Google is going to be the only source as to what/why and the information is going to be shielded from the open web… to do otherwise would defeat the purpose of the action - or am I missing the point?<br />This is an interesting example where there is no apparent reason for a blur - Google seems to revise such situations on a somewhat regular basis - and yet, this one has persisted for years - it makes for a serious quandary. Is it just a case of bad/outdated info taking on a life of its own? I concede it is a handsome blur - maybe it could just randomly crawl maps showing up in the least expected places like:<br /><a href="http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/06/24/article-1289294-0A2EF666000005DC-677_634x430.jpg" rel="nofollow">Scotland</a><br />perhaps there is value in the mystery, curiosity is at the root of search.remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-31695416271316156942013-06-20T14:32:23.945-07:002013-06-20T14:32:23.945-07:00Hi Dan,
Trying to solve this week challenge, I fo...Hi Dan,<br /><br />Trying to solve this week challenge, I found these links:<br />(with __very__ interesting stuff on this site)<br /><br />http://ogleearth.com/2006/04/some-dutch-sites-censored-in-google-earth-maps/<br /><br />http://ogleearth.com/2006/04/dutch-censorship-update/<br /><br />And it looks it's not Google fault: It's the data provider, AeroData here, that camouflages the areas as requested by the Dutch Government… Is it true? This a question you could ask your Google's friends next door.<br /><br />(Btw, just like you, I couldn't find the real reason of this "blurring")<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Philippepassagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05897589130110709598noreply@blogger.com