tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post6081426328310316004..comments2024-03-28T18:39:59.184-07:00Comments on SearchReSearch: Parrotfish and sand production (part 2) Dan Russellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-26815882291559301292013-09-29T17:08:19.565-07:002013-09-29T17:08:19.565-07:00Parrotfish sleeping sac link - was dropped in tran...Parrotfish sleeping sac link - was dropped in translation, apologies:<br /><a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2010/11/17/parrotfish-sleep-in-a-mosquito-net-made-of-mucus/#.Uki-70ZVd0U" rel="nofollow"> gnathiids net</a>remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-27094580868241828882013-09-29T10:25:32.421-07:002013-09-29T10:25:32.421-07:00meant to include this from current Smithsonian; E...meant to include this from current Smithsonian; Errol Morris muses about the "unknown unknowns" and how that notion relates to one of the great search questions from the last century… a good read that pertains to the nature and elusiveness of knowledge, information and what can be known… ichthyological Stoplight (& other varieties of Pfish) sand production included (and why Google isn't Wolfram|Alpha - but that is casting a larger net.) may also fall in that category.<br /><a href="http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/What-Does-the-Zapruder-Film-Really-Tell-Us-224928822.html?c=y&page=1" rel="nofollow">frame 313</a><br /><br />Ron Rosenbaum:<br /><b><i>"Is it something specific to the JFK case or is it true more generally about knowability? Morris’ new film, after all, about Donald Rumsfeld—famous for his line about “unknown unknowns”—is called The Unknown Known."</i></b><br /><br />Morris:<br /><b><i>“My favorite quote in my favorite movie review,” he says, “appeared in a 1941 review of Citizen Kane by [the great Argentine fabulist Jorge Luis] Borges and it contained Borges quoting, as he often did, [British writer G.K.] Chesterton, who said there is nothing more frightening than a labyrinth with no center. The loneliest of all labyrinths. The labyrinth to nowhere. Where there is no Minotaur at the center, there’s just winding corridors, more twists and more turns.”</i></b><br /><br /><b><i>“Here’s my problem,” Morris replies. “My article of faith is that there’s a real world out there in which things happen. The real world is not indeterminate. I don’t want to hear people misinterpreting the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Something happened. The problem is not about the nature of reality. We know somebody killed Kennedy and there’s an answer to the question of who and why.<br /><br />“Another thing we know is that we may never learn. And we can never know that we can never learn it. We can never know that we can’t know something. This is the detective’s nightmare. It’s the ultimate detective’s nightmare.”</i></b><br /><br /><a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qt-uncertainty/" rel="nofollow">back to Stanford, Heisenberg</a>remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-11060142843185496862013-09-29T08:05:55.349-07:002013-09-29T08:05:55.349-07:00Thanks Remmij for your links, I'll read it to ...Thanks Remmij for your links, I'll read it to learn more. Ramon Gonzalezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16129830563029534511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-18659666774502224162013-09-28T21:59:00.732-07:002013-09-28T21:59:00.732-07:00Dr. Russell - that raised the search/sensemaking b...Dr. Russell - that raised the search/sensemaking bar considerably - the methodology was very instructional as Rosemary stated -<br />it was an <a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/epistemology/" rel="nofollow">epistemological tour de force</a><br /><br />Ran across this and thought it might be enjoyable, interesting details -<br /><a href="http://www.bonairepros.com/blog/diving-snorkeling-bonaire/bonaire-pros-jerry-ligon-and-michael-lafortune/" rel="nofollow">Jerry Ligon/Bonaire</a><br />best watched on <a href="http://vimeo.com/6365686" rel="nofollow">Vimeo</a><br />other <a href="http://www.arcturusproductions.com/" rel="nofollow">Arcturus Productions</a> from Bonaire.<br /><br />Ramón and Rosemary are becoming search/sensemaking beasts - hope that translates as a compliment - mis compañeros de búsqueda (my fellow seekers)<br /><br />I feel like a <b>pike</b>r - or <b>muskie</b>r, in comparison, eh.<br /><br />These are mostly for Ramón, but others may be interested - they point toward a direction that search is taking and what Google is developing, especially in terms of spoken search (as opposed to text input) - I would assume that translation would eventually be rolled into the spoken query/response…?<br />The divergence of spoken ui serp results from text input is very interesting - moving closer to the Gene Roddenberry/Star Trek model of "Computer…"<br />or in this specific case: "OK Glass"… (thanks <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/amanda-rosenberg-of-google-2013-8" rel="nofollow">Amanda</a>)<br /><br /><a href="http://searchengineland.com/google-hummingbird-172816" rel="nofollow">SEL Hummingbird</a><br /><a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/googles-new-humminbird-search-algorithm-2013-9" rel="nofollow">BI write up Hummingbird</a><br /><a href="http://searchengineland.com/googles-impressive-conversational-search-goes-live-on-chrome-160445" rel="nofollow">conversational search/chrome</a><br /><a href="http://searchengineland.com/googles-impressive-conversational-search-goes-live-on-chrome-160445" rel="nofollow">Google Now/predictive search</a><br /><br />fwiw: I emailed <a href="http://www.jcu.edu.au/mtb/staff/adjunct/JCUDEV_014307.html" rel="nofollow">Dr. Choat</a> at James Cook University/School of Marine and Tropical Biology in Townsville - thought he might be interested in the questions you had posed (and you had cited his work in [part 2]) and hoped he might respond - will keep you posted if that happens…<br />he has been busy - saw a post on a Red Sea dive in April:<br /><a href="http://spinelessscience.blogspot.com/2013_04_01_archive.html" rel="nofollow">Al-Bahr Al-Ahmar</a><br />and a small Parrotfish tidbit on the sleeping sac - <a rel="nofollow">sleepy time</a><br /><br />Google is wrestling with some interesting notions of knowledge - how to know what to know, how deep to know, how to modulate and update knowledge,<br />how to interface and apply and even anticipate what knowledge to access… all very <b><i>heady</i></b> stuff. Am currently leaning toward the phantasmagorical -<br />hoping that the mystery doesn't get wrung out with the successful query…<br /><br />btw, looking for Choat brought this - something the Googleplex might consider before embarking on the new campus construction?<br />I'll leave it to you to search out the possible value…<br /><a href="https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1239872_10151848142681178_2135379691_n.jpg" rel="nofollow">JCU/Smoking Ceremony</a>remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-203092578720543872013-09-28T04:35:49.778-07:002013-09-28T04:35:49.778-07:00Thanks, Rosemary. As I've mentioned, I take a...Thanks, Rosemary. As I've mentioned, I take a lot of notes as I do research, then convert them into something like this. <br /><br />The *reality* of those notes is that they're pretty long. I was going to write the long, unexpurgated version of this search (including all of the side-tracks and things I read, charts I drew, other avenues pursued).. but it got very long and difficult to follow. <br /><br />I'm really glad this makes sense. The truth is this is the coherent half of my research. The hardest part is knowing when something is NOT working out, and giving up on it. I'll try to write about that one day... <br /><br />WRT fixing up Wikipedia.. YES! I think it's part of our obligation as careful researchers to go and fix up errors as we discover them. <br /><br />In this case, I'm postponing fixing up those articles until this weekend (so my readers can go see the errors for themselves). <br /><br />But you should definitely learn how to fix Wikipedia. It's good for you immortal soul. <br />Dan Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-32182776093690336472013-09-27T17:46:08.455-07:002013-09-27T17:46:08.455-07:00I appreciate the process. This is a lesson for su...I appreciate the process. This is a lesson for sure in 'sensemaking'. This depth of search is overwhelming. I would get just so far before I would start sending some emails or making phone calls to experts in the field if I could find them. What I really learned is allowing the information to flow until it makes sense and is deemed credible.<br /><br />Another observation is that we as searchers can help future searchers by correcting crowd source pages like Wikipedia. I tried to do that once but I didn't know what I was doing. I will based on your comments endeavor to learn how and to do my part. <br /><br />And my final comment is I really appreciated how you made your answer flow. Being able to read through a rather lengthy document could have been choppy and hard to follow. I tend to read through comments once then go back and check out links/references. So again I appreciated the process you have shown us.Rosemary Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12291661159622665464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-67666873570704448332013-09-27T07:55:52.711-07:002013-09-27T07:55:52.711-07:00Dr Russell, Parrot fishes and your study are wonde...Dr Russell, Parrot fishes and your study are wonderful, and your photos of them are quite impressive. When I did the challenge saw a lot of images and none of them is like yours and specially like the one with Parrot fish eating coral. <br /><br /> It is fascinating what these beautiful fishes do and the way you did the research. I don´t know if it is possible but you should add this study to Google Scholar. I'm sure many will find it just as amazing and for those in that field that could leat to make it even bigger.<br /><br />Thanks for sharing with us, Dr. Russell. Ramon Gonzalezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16129830563029534511noreply@blogger.com