tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post7685406560412365960..comments2024-03-28T05:03:26.162-07:00Comments on SearchReSearch: Wednesday Search Challenge (8/28/13): Quickly! Poisonous or not? Dan Russellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-83907967773785961842013-08-29T08:39:28.768-07:002013-08-29T08:39:28.768-07:00I guess reading my initial reply my searches did n...I guess reading my initial reply my searches did not come through... :-\<br /><br />first tried [Flower Identification Tool]<br /><br />Using the Extra Credit Link [Wild Flower used in early California]<br /><br />As for the Wikipedia entry Remmij is right the first link title is "Jepson Manual Treatment: Hemizonia congesta"<br />I swore that that was where the "Flowers of Marin" blog originated but I must have muddled my notes (That's what I get for doing search challenges during the work day :) )<br /><br />SamSam Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03706825397510448499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-14447590001866625762013-08-28T20:10:03.671-07:002013-08-28T20:10:03.671-07:00Well, despite my urgent imaginary call to Californ...Well, despite my urgent imaginary call to California Poison Control System http://www.calpoison.org/ I believe this to be a variety of the genus ERGIRON. It is endemic to the whole state.<br /><br />ERGIRON aka Fleabane was long used to repel fleas.<br /><br />My search process: checked the names you gave the images; did the Exif; then Jepson and Califlora and trawling whilst waiting to clear the dead links at CPCS However, this is a serious topic. Kids and beasts happily devour all sorts of plant material. A great resource of procedure and diagnosis is http://www.calpoison.org/hcp/KNOW%20YOUR%20PLANTS-plant%20list%20for%20CPCS%2009B.pdf.<br /><br />It would appear after all this that the genus is not a serious toxin<br /><br />CPCS does suggest you find the common and or latin name before you call, If you can.<br /><br />Real Time spent: much too long for a potential emergency situation<br /><br />Cheers<br /><br />jon who likes to eat nasturtiums and marigoldsjonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06450649073262987652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-75288862064227793482013-08-28T20:02:21.332-07:002013-08-28T20:02:21.332-07:00What is the mystery flower? I thought what would a...What is the mystery flower? I thought what would a poison center ask me?<br /><br />Where were these flowers located?<br />Describe the flowers? I would describe them as single layered white petals, more than a dozen small petals, with pink streaks, measuring ½ inch with hairy type stem. Reminds me of a daisy.<br /><br />Download metadata of photos - obtained coordinates - 37-386739 -122.154359 which is Metadero Hiking Trail. <br /><br />Then using Google Images allowed me to not focus on specific images but on the names of the family species. I needed to find ‘similar images’ and decided these were in the aster/daisy family.<br /><br />We had used various websites for a previous search (Tip - build your own reference library).<br /><br />INaturalis.org produced good results before. Source #1- Found Pacific Aster that looked promising but I decided it wasn’t quite right so down the right side of this website you can scroll & I found California Aster. Scientific name Corethrogyne filaginifolia <br /><br />Now I have a common name and a scientific name so I can confirm and gather more info. Here’s a nice photo of a California Aster Source #4<br /><br />Consortium of California Herbaria was another website we used previously Source #2. This would give me confirmation possibly that the California Aster has been documented in the area. The coordinates on the is page are 37.330 -122.172 <br />which match quite closely to the Metadero Hiking Trail. Confirmed.<br /><br />Now we need to know if the plant is poisonous and for that I went to Calfora and found this reference “Toxicity Dermatitis (California Poison Control System 2010) Source #3<br /><br />And as for uses (ethnobotany) of this wildflower that was more difficult but I found one link Source #5<br />Common Sandaster; Asteraceae<br />Kawaiisu Drug (Diaphoretic)<br />Infusion of twigs and leaves used as steambath to induce sweating for colds.<br />Zigmond, Maurice L. 1981 Kawaiisu Ethnobotany. Salt Lake City. University of Utah Press (p. 22)<br /><br />--------------<br />After all this I have to admit I wouldn’t rely on my findings if a child’s life was at stake. As well I would need to streamline my search because it took me a couple hours to check out various websites. I find images of flowers can be hard to identify because as in this case the petals can be white, pink, lavender, and even orange. The California Poison Control Center phamplet states they will not use a description of a plant over the phone to advise treatment.<br /><br />I tried a couple android apps to identify plants but I didn't find anything useful. <br /><br />Source # 1http://www.inaturalist.org/observations/221828<br /><br />Source #2 http://ucjeps.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/new_detail.pl?JEPS81674&YF=0<br /><br />Source #3 http://www.calflora.org/cgi-bin/species_query.cgi?where-taxon=Aster+chilensis<br /><br />Source #4 http://www.pbase.com/wilmot/image/72365344<br /><br />Source #5 http://herb.umd.umich.edu/herb/search.plRosemary Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12291661159622665464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-72779116653001156052013-08-28T17:51:21.250-07:002013-08-28T17:51:21.250-07:00additional uses, different variety:
PHILADELPHIA F...additional uses, different variety:<br /><a href="http://plants.usda.gov/plantguide/pdf/cs_erph.pdf" rel="nofollow">PHILADELPHIA FLEABANE<br />Erigeron philadelphicus L.</a>remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-12486333296439043562013-08-28T14:39:46.696-07:002013-08-28T14:39:46.696-07:00I like this… but one thing I'm curious about; ...I like this… but one thing I'm curious about; you write <i>"For the Extra Credit: Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemizonia_congesta)<br />The first external link is to the “Flowers of Marin” blog article which cites the use of the plant for flour."</i><br />when I looked at the Wikipedia links the first was: Jepson Manual Treatment: Hemizonia congesta…<br />ended up having to search for the Marin blog - the use of the seeds for flour seems plausible for the EC question,<br />but the description of the flowers doesn't seem to match Dan's pics.<br /><a href="http://flowersofmarin.wordpress.com/2012/08/26/plant-of-the-day-hayfield-tarweed/" rel="nofollow">Flowers of Marin, tarweed</a><br /><br />how about this?: Erigeron karvinskianus<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erigeron_karvinskianus" rel="nofollow">Mexican fleabane or Santa Barbara daisy</a><br /><a href="http://www.calflora.org/cgi-bin/species_query.cgi?where-calrecnum=3145" rel="nofollow">fleabane</a><br />the smoke drives away fleas -<br /><a href="http://botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/f/flecom27.html" rel="nofollow">herbal</a><br />remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-88015129731219471682013-08-28T14:15:23.764-07:002013-08-28T14:15:23.764-07:00Reading Sam answer. I think he has the correct flo...Reading Sam answer. I think he has the correct flower. Congratulations, Sam!<br /><br />Using his answer did this search ["hemizonia congesta" California historical use]<br />Found <a href="http://www.nrcs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb1075370.pdf" rel="nofollow">United States Department of Agriculture Natural Resources Conservation Service</a><br /><br />In page 60 (using ctrl f), mentions the Hayfield Tarweed used as food in 1902.<br /><br />Finally with ["hayfield tarweed" poisonous]<br />Found: <a href="http://flowersofmarin.wordpress.com/2012/08/26/plant-of-the-day-hayfield-tarweed/" rel="nofollow">The seeds of the Hemizonia and Madia tarweeds are edible–they were among the many types of seeds that Native American tribes collected and ground into flour. And mentions the use of the seeds in 1851</a><br /><br />Now I'll have to see and learn how Dr. Russell found the flower quickly.<br />Ramon Gonzalezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16129830563029534511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-52304346135965759942013-08-28T11:28:33.554-07:002013-08-28T11:28:33.554-07:00seems close to white mule's ears aster??? took...seems close to white mule's ears aster??? took some samples along to medical center per PCC instructions - too many varieties not to have physical examples:<br /><a href="http://uswildflowers.com/detail.php?SName=Wyethia%20helianthoides" rel="nofollow">USWildflowers</a><br />in excess of $3k for evaluation and treatment - as part of screening, a baseline DNA test was done — turns out she isn't my daughter!… now I'm using a tincture of aster to reduce chest tension, wheezing and shortness of breath — more searchresearch results than I bargained for. Should have encouraged the wee tyke not to browse on the trail - you'd think at 17 she might have known better. <br />fwiw: think jtu had the correct approach.remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-47851249315446116192013-08-28T11:18:49.106-07:002013-08-28T11:18:49.106-07:00Good day, Dr. Russell, fellow SearchResearchers
...Good day, <b> Dr. Russell, fellow SearchResearchers </b><br /><br />Searched:<br /><br />Searched your image in Google image and found Anthemis. I have problems with the center of your flower that looks like is blooming another flower.<br /><br />Flower identifier<br />Found: http://www.shootgardening.co.uk/plant/chamaemelum-nobile-flore-pleno?referrer=%2Fplant%2Fselect%2Fidentify-results%3F<br /><br />[chamomile nobile 'flore pleno' california]<br />http://www.ehow.com/list_7531032_types-chamomile-plants-california.html<br /><br />[chamomile poisonous]<br />http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/animal-poison-control/toxic-and-non-toxic-plants/chamomile<br /><br />http://health.howstuffworks.com/wellness/natural-medicine/herbal-remedies/chamomile-herbal-remedies1.htm<br /><br /><br />Answers:<br /><br />1. What is this plant? <br />Roman Chamomile. Not sure because of the black dots your images shows. This is for the moment the best I have found.<br /><br />2. Is it poisonous or not? <br /><br />No, even if I have the flower bad. The answer is no, because Dr. Russell found it was used in early California<br />Ramon Gonzalezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16129830563029534511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-10367672090704063952013-08-28T09:18:09.371-07:002013-08-28T09:18:09.371-07:00Taking a Shot at this:
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Hemizonia congesta
hayfi...Taking a Shot at this:<br />1)<br />Hemizonia congesta<br />hayfield tarweed<br /><br />2)<br />Non-Poisonous (No ER trip needed)<br /><br />Extra Credit:<br />Seeds used by Native Americans to be ground into flower <br /><br />Tried:<br /><br />As well as Search by Image<br />And blindly looking through California flower imagery<br /><br />Ended up utilizing the Extra credit as a hint and searched for <br /><br />The third link was for Larner Seeds:<br />www.larnerseeds.com/_pages/wildflower_annual.html<br /><br />(Luckily) About halfway down was a picture that looked similar to your second image<br /><br />Used image search on the plants scientific name : Hemizonia congesta<br /><br />I was able to confirm other photos which were extremely similar to the first image.<br /><br />The Larner Seeds link also cited the plants were good to eat which ruled out poisonous<br /><br />For the Extra Credit: Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemizonia_congesta)<br />The first external link is to the “Flowers of Marin” blog article which cites the use of the plant for flour.<br /><br />Took about 1.5 hours give or take <br /><br />Sam<br />Sam Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03706825397510448499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-15774968884662898272013-08-28T08:50:55.890-07:002013-08-28T08:50:55.890-07:00Ha ha ha... Ha ha ha... Dan Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-20168523703020765212013-08-28T07:54:08.971-07:002013-08-28T07:54:08.971-07:00I have already phoned the Poison Control Center.
...I have already phoned the Poison Control Center.<br /><br />10 seconds...<br /><br />jonjonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06450649073262987652noreply@blogger.com