tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post518895159301698428..comments2024-03-28T06:19:50.620-07:00Comments on SearchReSearch: Wednesday Search Challenge (4/30/14): Horses!Dan Russellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-63120769269325433272014-05-05T16:04:15.770-07:002014-05-05T16:04:15.770-07:00This is a great site. I should write up a challen...This is a great site. I should write up a challenge that uses this. Dan Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-17117754740903850632014-05-05T16:03:53.733-07:002014-05-05T16:03:53.733-07:00Nicely done, Rosemary. Nicely done, Rosemary. Dan Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-81183407670498152312014-05-02T08:25:58.787-07:002014-05-02T08:25:58.787-07:00Here's my Pre Post Game Analysis
I did not ge...Here's my Pre Post Game Analysis<br /><br />I did not get any further than I did in the first few minutes of this Challenge.<br /><br />So, The horse with gait: This has to be the Tennessee Walking Horse. I have known about them since childhood but had never known til this Search the terrible tortures that are used to enhance the gait.<br /><br />And the only other bit I accomplished was to convert 2 meters to hands thus telling me it is the biggest of the big horses, a Clydesdale.<br /><br />And from here I Searched many newspapers and goodness knows now what else and got nowhere on finding the 1918 ad. The best I could do was finding a Percheron sold for $47,000 early in 1918 but I could not find out if Farceur was 20 hands. Not anything else useful.<br /><br />Trying to find an ancient recetrack at 5800 feet altitude led me in many useless directions too: chariot ? flat ? oval ? endurance ?<br /><br />Cheers<br /><br />jjonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06450649073262987652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-3528626410237558512014-05-01T16:59:46.845-07:002014-05-01T16:59:46.845-07:00ahoy…another sister - (btw, Mamry appears to be th...ahoy…another sister - (btw, Mamry appears to be the newest -2012 - of the eight 30,000-tonners, that were built in China)<br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh6g8XpOfgk" rel="nofollow">the Wicko, getting "tuggy"</a><br /><a href="http://www.kristenkay.com/GreatLakesFreighters/Wicko-Polsteam-Ocean-Lake/25446259_m9nVdt/2095449118_Gj3vRbx#!i=2095449118&k=Gj3vRbx" rel="nofollow">photogenic</a><br /><a href="http://www.boatnerd.com/pictures/salty/Wicko-5-3-13-BA-1.jpg" rel="nofollow">bow</a><br /><a href="http://www.boatnerd.com/pictures/salty/Wicko-5-3-13-BA-2.jpg" rel="nofollow">stern</a><br /><a href="http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=1271951" rel="nofollow">Cleveland is popular with Polsteam</a><br /><a href="http://www.cruisepeople.co.uk/pzm.htm" rel="nofollow">passage</a>remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-5277385815396385212014-05-01T16:23:13.286-07:002014-05-01T16:23:13.286-07:00thanks for the clarification -
Mamry in Toronto, b...thanks for the clarification -<br /><a href="http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=1652394" rel="nofollow">Mamry in Toronto, but not Mayor Ford</a><br /><a href="http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2014/05/01/rob_ford_submits_formal_notice_of_leave.html" rel="nofollow">Rob</a><br />doesn't help that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polsteam" rel="nofollow">PŻM</a> has multi Mamri (pl?) here Mamry ll:<br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StZUiHeIFYA" rel="nofollow">ll, older ship</a><br />FWIW, I often wonder what I'm talking about… part of why I enjoy the focus search brings… even when it is elusive.<br /><a href="http://i.imgur.com/ufgFH.gif" rel="nofollow">furlong</a><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furlong" rel="nofollow">10 chains</a>remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-36424057785181027882014-05-01T15:29:24.344-07:002014-05-01T15:29:24.344-07:00For those of you wondering what Remmij is talking ...For those of you wondering what Remmij is talking about, I posted (on my G+ stream) a picture of a ship docked next to the sugar mill in Toronto... The good ship MAMRY which is part of the Polsteam shipping line. And hence the discussion of ships... FWIW, I updated the information at Vesselfinder.com Dan Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-33753946382991637002014-05-01T15:01:00.849-07:002014-05-01T15:01:00.849-07:00the pony has left the barn for me and I am stall-l...the pony has left the barn for me and I am stall-less in the pasture… so this is a bit off topic, but related to a search in Toronto… maybe a seahorse?<br />if you had just framed the <a href="http://www.northernimages.com/Duluth/Harbor-and-Boats/Ocean-Freighters/i-QFcs7hh/0/X2/untitled-6035-X2.jpg" rel="nofollow">bow</a> a bit further to the right the mystery wouldn't have been created, but I like the foggy morning shot.<br />as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mister_Ed" rel="nofollow">Mr. Ed*</a> (aka, Bamboo Harvester) might say, <i>"this has me chomping at my bit Wilbur."</i><br />*my authority on all things horsey - pre 1970; now I'm totally reliant on the horse whispering of <a href="http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/023/6/1/my_little_pony_cross_dissection_by_freeny-d5sgcyc.jpg" rel="nofollow">My Little Pony…</a><br /><a href="https://soundcloud.com/ernieballinc/03-wild-horses" rel="nofollow">reading melody</a><br /><br />North Dakota wheat makes pasta in Italy… it's a curious world.<br /><br />the Polsteam vessel in question: your early morning run in Toronto... DrD +image<br /><a href="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-LxD3EuK7RTI/U2I2ShZ7hHI/AAAAAAAAaUY/V_QVPNNJhiU/w1200-h676-no/IMG_20140501_071148136.jpg" rel="nofollow">on the docks</a><br /><br />was this the vessel, The Miedwie, IMO number : 9393448, MMSI : 311018300? <br /><a href="http://vimeo.com/32567336" rel="nofollow">in movement, different continent</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=1891864" rel="nofollow">in Barcelona, '13</a><br /><br />not in Toronto currently (am having trouble reconciling the times… sister ship?) -<br /><a href="http://www.vesselfinder.com/?mmsi=311018300" rel="nofollow">seeking MONTREALL</a><br /><br />start @ 5:25 in - a Polsteam, Northsea (not the Miedwie) <br /><a href="http://youtu.be/q1FZu4U_jaY?t=5m25s" rel="nofollow">rough water example</a><br /><br />traveling on a tramp steamer - Polsteam (not the Miedwie)<br /><a href="http://youtu.be/LX-Xzv3uQ6E" rel="nofollow">interesting travel mode</a>remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-62036367498932515872014-05-01T12:41:38.879-07:002014-05-01T12:41:38.879-07:00Knowing Dr. Dan is a history buff I had a look for...Knowing Dr. Dan is a history buff I had a look for horses in 1918 with a reference to their use during WW I. This booklet has an ad for a champion Belgian in 1918 for sale at the asking price of $25,000. The article outlines how much horses were a factor in the war. My share https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1sx0iUA-aNRSnVCOWN6MncxaHc/edit?usp=sharingRosemary Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12291661159622665464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-91448424592147815162014-05-01T06:19:47.353-07:002014-05-01T06:19:47.353-07:00Adding one more useful site that's free is Ele...Adding one more useful site that's free is Elephind http://www.elephind.com/<br />It provides a list of their inventory with earliest and latest dates. It has a huge Australian collection in addition to some I've already mentioned.Rosemary Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12291661159622665464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-35400561131426943452014-05-01T06:14:21.305-07:002014-05-01T06:14:21.305-07:001. What was the price of a horse in 1918 in the U...1. What was the price of a horse in 1918 in the United States? In particular, can you find an advertisement in a newspaper printed in 1918 for a horse that would measure 2 meters high? How much would such a horse cost? <br />A: Not yet.<br /><br />[race horse price United States 1918] Wikipedia site talks about Exterminator . This horse was sold in 1918 for $9,000 and pair of fillies.<br /><br />[Fillies] Young female horse usually of less than four years.<br /><br /><br />2. 2. What's the oldest horse racing course you can find that's around 5,800 feet in length? (The course may-or-may-not be in the US.) <br /><br />A: Chester Racecourse<br /><br />[[world horse racing tracks]<br /><br />[horserace track length furlong] I tried with RoseMary term "Furlong".<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chute_(racecourse)" rel="nofollow">Chute (racecourse)</a> "In horse racing, the term chute refers to an extended path increasing the length of a straight portion of a racecourse, particularly an oval-shaped one, allowing races of a specified distance to start at a location other than on one of the turns."<br /><br />[oldest horse racecourse]<br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_Racecourse" rel="nofollow">Chester Racecourse</a><br /><br />[oldest horse racecourse in the world]<br /><br /><a href="http://www.buzzle.com/articles/famous-horse-racing-courses-around-the-world.html" rel="nofollow">Famous Horse Racing Courses Around the World.</a><br /><br />This site mentions: "Contrary to popular belief, horse racing as a sport was established in North America almost two centuries before it was in the UK. The first ever racing meet of North America took place in the year 1665, under the supervision of the then New York's colonial governor, Richard Nicolls, with the first racetrack being built in the same year. However, it wasn't until the later half of the 18th century that the sport of horse racing gained a proper organized form. Here are some of the most famous horse racing courses in America." <br /><br />[world famous horse racing courses]Ramon Gonzalezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16129830563029534511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-90934589483589754682014-05-01T05:58:08.540-07:002014-05-01T05:58:08.540-07:00Chester is indeed closer to 5800 feet whereas Donc...Chester is indeed closer to 5800 feet whereas Doncaster is actually over 10,000 feet (1m 7.5f) according to the Wikipedia articles.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_RacecourseRosemary Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12291661159622665464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-73680947023623233562014-05-01T04:18:53.358-07:002014-05-01T04:18:53.358-07:00Working in reverse and starting with #3
[ unique g...Working in reverse and starting with #3<br />[ unique gallop horse breed ]<br />Answer <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_horse" rel="nofollow">Icelandic horse</a> has 2 unique gaits.<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_gait" rel="nofollow">Horse gait</a><br /><br />#2<br />[ list oldest horse race track ] <br /><a href="http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_oldest_horse_racing_track_in_the_world?#slide=2" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_oldest_horse_racing_track_in_the_world?#slide=2</a><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseracing_in_Great_Britain" rel="nofollow">Horseracing in Great Britain</a> <br />The oldest is Chester Racecourse, which dates to the early 16th century.<br />I know we were not looking just for the oldest but oldest around 5800 feet in length. Chester is 1.8km in length. <br />[1.8km in feet ] tells it is 5905.51 feet which to me is around 5800 feet in length. <br />Answer Chester Racecoursekrossbowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07877826327758153784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-76166063290475422112014-04-30T22:35:24.125-07:002014-04-30T22:35:24.125-07:00I did find 2 Percheron stallions for sale in the P...I did find 2 Percheron stallions for sale in the Pacific Rural Press on Mar 16 1918 for $600. and $400. using the <a href="http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=PRP19180316.2.53.4&srpos=7&e=--1918---1918--en--20--1--txt-txIN-belgian+stallion-----#" rel="nofollow">CDNC website</a>. Based on description "heavy boned three year old" stallion I am assuming his stature as a Belgian would be in the 19 hands range.<br /><br />This challenge was a reminder of the changes that have taken place with newspaper archives. <br />I would like to review my experience.<br /><br />Google Newspaper Archives has a big list of newspapers but I don't see any way to do a date range. You don’t have much in the way of advanced search options. I looked back to Nov 13th when we reviewed how to do google news archives search but back then there was a way around the date range but that seems to be gone now.<br /><br />Newspaper.com has only one field for keywords & I couldn't figure out how to get results I was looking for. But I do think this site will have its uses and signed up for convenience in the future. They had a sale for one year at 59.95 which likely will be available again.<br /><br />Newspaperarchives is minimum $9.95 per month but you are limited to 25 views. The next level of subscription of $99 US for six months isn’t cheap. <br /><br />Wikipedia has a comprehensive list of free and pay however when I searched Cedar Rapids newspaper from that list which was “free” I eventually hit a paywall i.e. Newspaperarchives so it isn't free to view the articles.<br /> <br />CDNC California Digital Newspaper Collection is free and provided me with an answer. Had it not I would not have found an answer. <br /><br />The only other one I am aware of is Chronicling America site http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/ that has a newspaper collection that is easy to search & perhaps I was just not lucky to find draft horses for sale with a price and showing height. <br /><br />In the end finding an ad with both price & height alluded me but what was more important is a greater awareness in searching newspapers. I would like to understand why Google remove itself as a search engine for newspaper archives. If I recall correctly with CDNC digitizing California newspapers perhaps there's plans for more free statewide archives?<br /><br /><br />Rosemary Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12291661159622665464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-56803512271649218082014-04-30T14:29:21.871-07:002014-04-30T14:29:21.871-07:00I knew horses are measured in hands so using Googl...I knew horses are measured in hands so using Google Search [2 meters= hands] = 19.68 hands. That’s a big horse! These must fall into the category of draft/draught/heavy horses. <br /> <br /><a href="http://horse-breeds.findthebest.com/" rel="nofollow">Horse breeds “find the best”</a> I quickly narrowed it to two breeds. This magnificent horse <a href="http://imgur.com/zrXko4z" rel="nofollow">Percheron</a> with typical heights <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percheron" rel="nofollow">of stallions reaching 19 hands</a>. Here’s some great images <a href="http://pinterest.com/explore/percheron/" rel="nofollow">of the Percheron</a>.<br /><br /> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shire_horse" rel="nofollow">English Shire </a>is the next draft horse. <a href="http://www.pinterest.com/explore/shire-horse/" rel="nofollow">English Shire Images</a>and popularity of the breed with<a href="http://www.horseclicks.com/horse_advice/living-large-in-the-land-of-the-shire-draft-horse/50" rel="nofollow">US importing between 1900-1918 4000 horses</a>.<br /><br />But checking facts there are two other draft (draught) horses 19 hands & over including <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shire_horse" rel="nofollow"> the Clydesdale </a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_horse" rel="nofollow">the Belgian</a> <br /><br />Here’s a video of a in 1918 off to auction in Scotland.<br /><a href="http://britishpathe.com/video/show-and-sale-of-clydesdale-horses/query/auction" rel="nofollow">parade of Clydesdales.</a> Now after narrowing it down to the four breed of draft horses I have yet to find an advertisement showing one of these breeds at “19 hands”. I have found several ads showing draft horses by weight. We need a draft horse (stallion most likely), 19 hands or over in 1918 in the USA. I did find a world record sale in 1918 of a <a href="http://idnc.library.illinois.edu/cgi-bin/illinois?a=d&d=WAF19180215.2.32#" rel="nofollow">Belgian sold for $47,000.</a> in Iowa. As well I found price ranges on draft mares in USA between $500 - $800; geldings averaging $375.00 all in 1918. <br /><br />Based on racecourses of 5800 feet I did google search [n furlongs = x feet] and narrowed it down by looking for the “oldest track at this length”. <br />Saratoga 9 furlongs = 5940 feet <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saratoga_Race_Course" rel="nofollow">Race Course</a> <br />Doncaster 7.5 furlongs = 4620 feet <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doncaster_Racecourse" rel="nofollow">Race Course</a> <br />Searching horses by gait my first look is at the Icelandic Horse known for its two additonal gaits. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_horse" rel="nofollow">These little guys are fast.</a> The first additional gait is a four-beat lateral ambling gait known as the tölt. The breed also performs a pace called a skeið, flugskeið or "flying pace"<br /><br /><br />Rosemary Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12291661159622665464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-58935575139136320222014-04-30T13:50:23.779-07:002014-04-30T13:50:23.779-07:00Oh. I see an issue here. When I said "Aroun...Oh. I see an issue here. When I said "Around 5800 feet" -- what I SHOULD have said was "around 5800 feet IN LENGTH" (Not altitude.) <br /><br />I'll fix up the post to reflect this. Dan Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-39152165240307764142014-04-30T13:48:23.280-07:002014-04-30T13:48:23.280-07:00Good day, Dr. Russell, fellow SearchResearchers
...Good day, <b> Dr. Russell, fellow SearchResearchers </b><br /><br />Searched so far:<br /><br />[define:gait] the paces of an animal, especially a horse or dog.<br /><br />[horse breed distinctive gait]<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambling" rel="nofollow">Ambling</a><br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_gait" rel="nofollow">Horse gait</a><br /><br />[horse breed unique gait]<br /><br />[oldest racing horse courses]<br /><br /><a href="http://www.saratogaracetrack.com/about-horse-racing/track-history.cfm" rel="nofollow">Horse racing track History</a><br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_racing" rel="nofollow">Horse racing</a><br /><br /><br />[5800 feet altitude horse tracks]<br />[race horse price United States 1918]<br /><br /><b> Answers </b><br /><br />1. What was the price of a horse in 1918 in the United States? In particular, can you find an advertisement in a newspaper printed in 1918 for a horse that would measure 2 meters high? How much would such a horse cost? <br />A: Not yet<br /><br /><br />2. What's the oldest horse racing course you can find that's around 5,800 feet? (Not necessarily in the US.) <br /><br />A. Not yet.<br /><br />3. What's the horse breed with a kind of gait that's particular to only that breed? <br /><br />A: Tennessee Walking Horse. The Tennessee Walking Horse or Tennessee Walker is a breed of gaited horse known for its unique four-beat "running walk" and flashy movement, source:Wikipedia<br /><br />Icelandic Horse has 5 gaits not just 3 commonly displayed by other breeds. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.wired.com/2014/04/racehorse-anatomy/?mbid=social_gplus%20%20magazine-22.05" rel="nofollow">How Thoroughbreds Convert Air Into Blazing Speed</a><br /> <br /><br />In the url, found an interesting article for the past challenge:<br /><a href="http://www.wired.com/2014/04/globes-history-book/" rel="nofollow">400 Years of Beautiful, Historical, and Powerful Globes</a><br />Ramon Gonzalezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16129830563029534511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-79449534464948800962014-04-30T10:51:21.972-07:002014-04-30T10:51:21.972-07:00After I posted my earlier comments I remembered se...After I posted my earlier comments I remembered seeing the Peruvian Paso horses in the Rose Parade, so I assume that is the one you are looking for with the unique gait. Here is a website that describes them and a video from YouTube: <br />http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/horses/peruvianpaso/<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efGZWE4UUQU<br />Judith Koveleskiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05686078490309832332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-41469895895645659252014-04-30T10:38:50.990-07:002014-04-30T10:38:50.990-07:00Searched for high altitude racetrack and looked th...Searched for high altitude racetrack and looked through several articles until I found this website: http://www.whiteturf.ch/index.php/en/white-turf.html<br /><br />I then Googled St. Moritz, Switzerland elevation and found that it was 5,978 feet.<br /><br />I don’t know if it is the oldest, but it has been running for about a hundred years, so it’s got to be one of the oldest.<br /><br />Didn’t have time to go to the other questions, but I did find this site that told me Man-)-War sold for $5,000 in 1918. <br /><br />http://call-to- post.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=220:best-buy-man-o-war-1918&catid=9:racing-history&Itemid=18<br />Judith Koveleskiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05686078490309832332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-30202291177225707462014-04-30T10:15:47.119-07:002014-04-30T10:15:47.119-07:00Hello, Dr. Russell. In question 2, you mean sea le...Hello, Dr. Russell. In question 2, you mean sea level altitude? Or you ask for something else? I asked Fred and he gave me his point of view.<br /><br />ThanksRamon Gonzalezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16129830563029534511noreply@blogger.com