tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post5543719934231162843..comments2024-03-27T21:49:03.499-07:00Comments on SearchReSearch: Answer: Four (six!) small challenges Dan Russellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-16381107480561984192014-06-05T08:57:21.915-07:002014-06-05T08:57:21.915-07:00Hi Marian (et al.) - See today's SearchResearc...Hi Marian (et al.) - See today's SearchResearch post (June 5, 2014). I talk about this in that posting. (I decided to make a post about it for everyone, rather than just in the comments. These questions are good and deserve a higher profile airing.) Dan Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-64850364783418623912014-06-03T14:20:11.381-07:002014-06-03T14:20:11.381-07:00When we have the daughter of a famous actress who ...When we have the daughter of a famous actress who seems to be living quite a ordinary life, it wasn't difficult to find the photos mentioned here already. However she is overshadowed by her parents & probably quite deliberately, therefore she doesn't have a huge presence on the internet. When searching for an average person we can use social networks and perhaps photos that have been tagged. We can search for hits by location, interests, work, and family. My take-away for this part of the challenge wasn't finding photos of her but realizing there are limitations based on a persons preference to be seen or not. Rosemary Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12291661159622665464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-1142666244743992532014-06-03T12:53:03.057-07:002014-06-03T12:53:03.057-07:00I'm in the U.S. and I found the same thing. Lo...I'm in the U.S. and I found the same thing. Lots of pictures of Lara Parker, and some of Lara Deacon, but couldn't actually tell if she was Rula Lenska's daughter. I think this is not as easy as Daniel says. I wish he would respond.Marianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12889029897237732376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-61463825280370425362014-06-02T04:58:09.774-07:002014-06-02T04:58:09.774-07:00Paul, totally agree on this. Anne and I were very ...Paul, totally agree on this. Anne and I were very conscious of this. We felt it was much better to overestimate than to say it was only going to take a short amount of time and then be wrong about that!Debra Gottslebenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08074610468240387547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-39548339983737258442014-06-01T15:32:54.796-07:002014-06-01T15:32:54.796-07:00Fred, [thanks!] for the point, it's a conundru...Fred, [thanks!] for the point, it's a conundrum - worth the read, but now I'm spent… tp angst<br />…can one run up a time point deficit the way countries treat imagined/impending debt?<br />how does sRs time convert to tp (time points)?<br /><i><b>"Head is all heart has.<br />Help, head. Help heart."</b></i>*<br />almost sounds like a Jerry Maguire line…<br /><a href="https://medium.com/@fchimero/this-should-only-take-a-minute-or-four-probably-e38bb7bf2adf" rel="nofollow">This Should Only</a><br />*courtesy of Frank Chimero<br />Professional designer. Amateur human.remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-29295457222352630422014-06-01T15:15:18.039-07:002014-06-01T15:15:18.039-07:00jon's answer was crucial for my subsequent res...jon's answer was crucial for my subsequent research on Lara and James Parker.<br /><br />Just for completeness, her friend the photographer Matt Staples (Matt S Staples) has a portfolio on his professional website including one "engagement shoot" and six photos of their wedding (four with the groom and two with the bridesmaids): http://www.mattstaplesphotography.co.uk/fourcolumns.html<br /><br />The same photos (or some subset) can be find on Matt Staples' Facebook, Flickr and Twitter pages, all of them public.Luís Miguel Viterbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13198394145108636883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-38871323903079882932014-06-01T12:39:30.173-07:002014-06-01T12:39:30.173-07:00Ramon, so funny that you did what Anne and I did! ...Ramon, so funny that you did what Anne and I did! Your name comes up ALL the time when we are working on challenges! Along with Rosemary's and Fred also! Fred has become my go to person for information literacy information that I share with school. So this weekly challenge has turned into much more of a professional development session for Anne and me. Ramon maybe we need to say great minds think alike! Debra Gottslebenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08074610468240387547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-50457958263016248192014-06-01T07:15:14.961-07:002014-06-01T07:15:14.961-07:00Even if you don't have Facebook, you can still...Even if you don't have Facebook, you can still peek on some stuff that was (probably unwittingly) left public.<br /><br />For example, the Google search [ site:facebook.com "lara deacon parker" ] will lead you to several Facebook pages where Lara Parker has posted comments. Check for example the 5th result (on HandmadebyJax) and you'll find a thumbnail of her profile's picture. If you hover your mouse on that thumbnail, you will be able to see a 100x100 pixels version of that picture.<br /><br />If then you do a "Search by Image" on that picture and help Google with a description (writing "Lara Deacon Parker" where you see "describe image here"), you won't be given access to any other sizes but you'll see the Rummikub profile picture.<br /><br /><i>My last post was filled with links, I have no idea what happened to them. Anyway, this being a search research group, I guess readers will find out the links by themselves. :) </i>Luís Miguel Viterbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13198394145108636883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-73388806057783401892014-06-01T03:06:07.186-07:002014-06-01T03:06:07.186-07:00I think "Unknown" and Luis get to share ...I think "Unknown" and Luis get to share the gold medal for finding that picture. I'm impressed by your approach.<br />I'm not on Facebook so that "walled garden" was closed to me anyway.<br /><br />Also NB the Guardian archive is chargeable to use (though public and academic libraries often have access to their members). It didn't matter with such a famous item as Neil Armstrong as it has been republished openly but a less famous item might have been different.<br /><br />I guestimated my number of searches per day but I could have been way wrong. I suspect anyone who is reading this blog is going to be a "professional" searcher of some kind and therefore likely to have a higher no of searches per day than average. Plus we are probably more curious than average i.e if we see something we don't know or understand we are more likely to search for it to find out more. It can be fatal if reading a novel though as it drags you out of the story - I just make a note for later now :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03024498995853851022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-26861741321481363562014-05-31T17:28:40.209-07:002014-05-31T17:28:40.209-07:00I can speak for myself only. There is an occupati...I can speak for myself only. There is an occupational bias in estimating "how long will it take"... questions. If I under-sell and out-perform, namely if I say it will take a half an hour and it takes 10 minutes nobody will complain, If I say it takes 10 minutes and it takes an hour EVERYONE will complain. Since I do research for a job I must admit that my occupation does effect how I answered the estimate vs. performance. Also once I got the solution I did play with the results to assure that everything was as it should be. Once you start playing with the answer you may find that it will draw you in to assure that everything is as complete as possibleAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02348091335977872700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-34270961489224069852014-05-31T13:49:41.380-07:002014-05-31T13:49:41.380-07:00Great finding Jon. Thanks for sharing with us how ...Great finding Jon. Thanks for sharing with us how you find it. <br /><br />Dr. Russell very interesting your post about <b>checking the original source </b>Ramon Gonzalezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16129830563029534511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-90646044439074898252014-05-31T13:33:45.700-07:002014-05-31T13:33:45.700-07:00After a lot of search, here's the most officia...After a lot of search, here's the most official (and recent) photo I could find of Lara 'Deacon' Parker, on her own <a rel="nofollow">Facebook page</a>.<br /><br />Taking from her Facebook name ("Lara 'Deacon' Parker", with the single quotes around "Deacon"), I'd say she dropped that surname when she married James Parker, so her official name is probably Lara Parker (and never Lara Parker Deacon).<br /><br />And here's another picture of Lara and James on her <a rel="nofollow">Rummikub profile</a>.<br /><br />As to Wikipedia:<br /><br />On 15 September 2009, Wikipedia editor 80.194.5.121 <a rel="nofollow">changed "Lara Deacon" to "Lara Parker"</a>. This was only 10 days after her marriage to James Parker (as we know from the <a rel="nofollow">Tarnowski Clan</a> newsletter found by jon).<br /><br />On 11 May 2012, Wikipedia editor 85.210.130.53 <a rel="nofollow">changed "Lara Parker" to "Lara Parker Deacon"</a>. I can't find any other mention to this strange combination and it seems in fact to be wrong. Apparently, no Wikipedia editor noticed it until now.<br /><br />Further sources:<br /><br />The website claiming to be The Official Rula Lenska Website, <a rel="nofollow">states</a> that she "has a daughter, Lara Parker, from her marriage to Brian Deacon."<br /><br />On <a rel="nofollow">an article on Candis magazine</a>, Rula Lenska herself is quoted as saying "my daughter, Lara Parker".<br /><br />On a final unrelated note, I found out that Lara Parker <a rel="nofollow">is a nurse</a>.Luís Miguel Viterbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13198394145108636883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-53734811101901368792014-05-31T13:21:58.055-07:002014-05-31T13:21:58.055-07:00And didn't check until now how often we use se...And didn't check until now how often we use search. I checked my history on my personal account and it was much lower than I would have thought but I use that account at home and most of my search activity at work using a different account. History wasn't turned on, so couldn't check. When Anne and I answered this question we were also including in all of the times we are doing search queries using our library databases and catalog. Debra Gottslebenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08074610468240387547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-7497176802660799132014-05-31T11:31:06.237-07:002014-05-31T11:31:06.237-07:00Another thing to keep in mind... I really want to...Another thing to keep in mind... I really want to emphasize that checking the original source (e.g., downloading the KJ Bible from Gutenberg) and then operating on THAT is almost always better than using an intermediary. Of course, sometimes an intermediary web site can add value (e.g., additional information that's mashed together), but often I prefer to get as close to the original source materials (or source data) as possible. As was recently reported, something like 80 - 90% of all spreadsheets have errors in them. If you get the original data and make your own analysis, you might introduce errors, but your ANSWER will be different, and then you can try to figure out why your answers differ, and therein lies a good deal of learning. <br />Dan Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-4658336629104664302014-05-31T11:15:13.190-07:002014-05-31T11:15:13.190-07:00Jon they say if you get the right answer you learn...Jon they say if you get the right answer you learn only so much; if you get the wrong answer you learn even more. Getting the wrong answer using google books was really interesting. Glad it happened because would have never guessed that it was only counting once per passage or maybe it is even only once per page. Now we will know to do a more in depth search using google books. Was wondering if knowing this first if I would have carried this over to the King James Bible search but think I still wouldn't have tried anything different once I saw that each word was highlighted. If the number was lower may have tried counting. Debra Gottslebenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08074610468240387547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-3339199663773393982014-05-31T10:45:04.987-07:002014-05-31T10:45:04.987-07:00Dan asked how I got to that daughter image, so:
...Dan asked how I got to that daughter image, so:<br /><br />SEARCH [Rosa Lubienski's daughter] points to<br /><br />en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rula_Lenska<br /><br />Rula Lenska (born Rosa Marie Lubienski, 30 September 1947) is an English .... to actor Brian Deacon (4 June 1977 – 1987), with whom she had one daughter, Lara Parker Deacon,<br /><br />IMAGES [Lara Parker Deacon]<br /><br />Hmmmm somethins wrong, there are too many of them and none look promising. So using a genealogy search strategy I tried lots of variants of the name; then in combo with each parent.<br /><br />Voila!<br /><br />I found her in the very last place I looked.<br /><br />Cheers<br /><br />jon, who notes in the 'Talk' part of the Wikipedia article no one has noticed that the daughter's name is incorrect<br />jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06450649073262987652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-90648023656930885922014-05-31T10:17:14.682-07:002014-05-31T10:17:14.682-07:00In order to estimate the number I gave (about 30 q...In order to estimate the number I gave (about 30 queries), I browsed fast through my chrome://history, counting each <i>thing</i> I looked for, not actual queries, which would be twice ro threefold that figure. I forgot that I also query in Incognito mode, as well as through other browsers (for different tasks I might use Maxthon, Firefox and sometimes even IE).<br /><br />I also forgot that I could have just checked my dashboard. Here's what it says at the moment:<br /><br /><b>Account activity last 28 days</b><br />Searches <b>1,895</b> ^ 17%<br /><b>Search types</b><br />Web 68%<br />Maps 17%<br />Images 10%<br />Books 3%<br /><br />I also search on Gmail (a lot), on YouTube (a lot), on Chrome History, my Favorites and other personal data, as well as on many other online sites outside the Google Realm.<br /><br />So maybe the answer you were seeking for would be closer to more than 100 for me.Luís Miguel Viterbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13198394145108636883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-28438523027885185162014-05-31T08:40:21.521-07:002014-05-31T08:40:21.521-07:00Very interesting as always, Dr. Russell. The chall...Very interesting as always, Dr. Russell. The challenges were apparently simple and they have lots of knowledge. <br /><br />In Moby Dick, I did exactly as Anne and Debbie. Lessons learned.<br /><br />Have a great weekend. Ramon Gonzalezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16129830563029534511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-44905978701208198682014-05-31T08:39:38.102-07:002014-05-31T08:39:38.102-07:00impressive find jon - was it your genealogy experi...impressive find jon - was it your genealogy experience that prompted you to form that query?… leaving [Lubienski/Leńska] out of the query altogether… <a href="http://www.rodtarnowski.com/" rel="nofollow">"Tarnowskich"</a>… would have never looked there - in Polish or English.<br />am still curious about the survey numbers: <br /><i>"5. We find it VERY difficult to estimate the number of queries we do / day. Out of the first 100 people to responded to the survey,"</i> (a 2nd survey question)<br />versus<br /><i>"quick answers: 84 people replied to the first survey; 35 to the second."</i><br />wuwt?<br />one other observation, really clever header graphic on Rosemary's <a href="http://mobydiction.com/word.php?word=lothario" rel="nofollow">Moby-Diction.com</a> site — the white whale lives…<br />and a clever format for the site.<br /><br />remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-68288696061314483512014-05-31T07:16:40.892-07:002014-05-31T07:16:40.892-07:00Congratulations "Unknow". [brian deacon ...Congratulations "Unknow". [brian deacon NEAR lara deacon] was the solution. The link is #5 on the serp. Well, it looks like <i>People still don't check their works…</i> :-) passagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05897589130110709598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-75394916896505702012014-05-31T07:09:25.621-07:002014-05-31T07:09:25.621-07:00Yes, I agree. I unwittingly biased the way in whi...Yes, I agree. I unwittingly biased the way in which people answered the questions. In writing "about 5 minutes" I was trying to be encouraging (that is, to suggest it wasn't going to take all day). But the unexpected side-effect was to probably push folks along a bit too quickly. <br /><br />Thanks for the feedback. That's really useful! <br />Dan Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-13912291881316378512014-05-31T07:07:11.837-07:002014-05-31T07:07:11.837-07:00Great question ("what tipped you off"). ...Great question ("what tipped you off"). I was suspicious because when I looked at the result, I saw verses that had "Absalom" mentioned twice, and that made me wonder--were both of those counted as separate, or as one? Since it was only 90 verses, I just blasted through them all and counted manually. (If it were a larger number, I would have done something different.) That's how I figured it out. <br /><br />I suspect that experience is what's playing a major role here. My research question is: "What is the knowledge one learns through experience?" Is it knowledge of sources? Knowledge of term frequency, or what? Dan Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-28542282870222695352014-05-31T07:01:18.931-07:002014-05-31T07:01:18.931-07:00This is the best known accurately labeled photo. ...This is the best known accurately labeled photo. Just out of curiosity, Jon, how did you find it? <br />Dan Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-25433521272762815002014-05-31T07:00:34.508-07:002014-05-31T07:00:34.508-07:00Jon -- quick answers: 84 people replied to the fi...Jon -- quick answers: 84 people replied to the first survey; 35 to the second. <br /><br />WRT Books and number of hits -- the UI is misleading there. You actually have to look at the landing page to see what's really going on. <br /><br />There are many editions of the King James Bible. Luckily, I believe all of them (I haven't checked extensively) have the same number of Absaloms. Your more general question ("how do you know which edition to use") is a tougher question without a good answer. (Which is why I made my question edition-invariant!) <br /><br />Queries/day: What I *meant* was "queries used to find information" -- but a better measure would be specific, and to include Ancestry.com, Amazon.com, Bing.com, DuckDuckGo, etc. Dan Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-79749009350530737392014-05-31T04:44:17.842-07:002014-05-31T04:44:17.842-07:00DOH! I missed the field to put in the number of ti...DOH! I missed the field to put in the number of times the name appeared on BOTH of the surveys. I used Project Gutenberg for both and their HTML versions. KJ Bible slowed my time as it took a couple seconds to load. krossbowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07877826327758153784noreply@blogger.com