tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post8131895553115603868..comments2024-03-27T21:49:03.499-07:00Comments on SearchReSearch: Search Challenge (7/29/15): Identify these three insectsDan Russellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-81723698914963909432015-08-02T15:05:30.280-07:002015-08-02T15:05:30.280-07:00originally submitted 7/31… added to in the lag…
go...originally submitted 7/31… added to in the lag…<br />good to know about the patterns & mimicry, thanks Ramón… interesting infobit regarding the behavior of the Poplar Admiral… (maybe it should be the Pooplar Admiral, given the following traits:)<br /><i><b>"Behavior:<br />They are attracted to foul smells, such as those given off by carrion or dung. The butterflies use their proboscis to draw important minerals from the sap of trees, from the ground or from sweat. They do not visit flowers."</b></i><br /><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poplar_admiral" rel="nofollow">poplar admiral (Limenitis populi)</a><br /><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papilio_lorquinianus" rel="nofollow">half a world away - Lorquin's Admiral - they share Pierre Joseph Michel Lorquin</a><br /><a href="http://www.fws.gov/nwrs/threecolumn.aspx?id=2147552459" rel="nofollow">usfws</a><br />we need an audio/sonic search app/tool… and now, maybe a sniffer/olfactory/scent search app/tool too…<br /><a href="http://www.tricorderproject.org/" rel="nofollow">a tricorder, of sorts?</a><br /><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tricorder" rel="nofollow">something Google/Appall might be working on as an extension of search/hardware</a> <br />btw, <a href="http://www.oecanthinae.com/23164.html" rel="nofollow">Fred's pick, in concert…</a><br /> <br /><a href="http://postimg.org/image/hr2zihjrj/" rel="nofollow">were they involved in hithBot's demise?</a><br /><a href="http://www.hitchbot.me/" rel="nofollow">the journey ends</a>remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-66445622797403262542015-08-01T08:22:23.790-07:002015-08-01T08:22:23.790-07:00I just read about this butterfly so is kind of rel...I just read about this butterfly so is kind of related to topic. <a href="http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33596341" rel="nofollow">Purple Emperor: The butterfly that feeds on rotting flesh</a>Ramon Gonzalezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16129830563029534511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-22674626600359181472015-07-31T22:18:57.286-07:002015-07-31T22:18:57.286-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-4309924050278570402015-07-31T13:48:45.156-07:002015-07-31T13:48:45.156-07:00Hello, Remmij, thanks for your links. Bug Guide No...Hello, Remmij, thanks for your links. Bug Guide Node in special is very interesting. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.lehigh.edu/bio/pdf/Mullen/Mullen_2006.pdf" rel="nofollow">Wing pattern evolution and the origins of mimicry among<br />North American admiral butterflies </a>Ramon Gonzalezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16129830563029534511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-53996607442654796392015-07-31T12:51:29.002-07:002015-07-31T12:51:29.002-07:001. Lorquin's Admiral Limenitis lorquini
h...1. Lorquin's Admiral Limenitis lorquini <br /><br /> http://mamba.bio.uci.edu/~pjbryant/biodiv/lepidopt/nymph/lorquin.htm<br /><br />2. California Sister Adelpha californica<br /><br /> http://mamba.bio.uci.edu/~pjbryant/biodiv/lepidopt/nymph/Adelpha%20californica.htm<br /><br /><br />both courtesy of http://mamba.bio.uci.edu/~pjbryant/biodiv/lepidopt/ which has lots of images and lots of details. Lorquin's are even found on Vancouver ISland<br /><br />3. Have listened to many [insect songs] and the best I can do is suggest its a kind of cicada.<br /><br />jon tUjonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06450649073262987652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-28997915900886372842015-07-30T21:56:20.816-07:002015-07-30T21:56:20.816-07:00"... this Challenge shouldn't be that dif...<i>"... this Challenge shouldn't be that difficult. But as we've seen, sometimes these things can spiral out of control and present real challenges."</i> uhmmm, confusion…?<br /><br />made me think I was missing something and should go back and have a closer look & listen to the two pics & sound clip…<br />•no.1 -- missed what was in the background, camouflaged - Lorquin's Admiral -<br /><a href="http://postimg.org/image/69qkagod7/" rel="nofollow">Limenitis lorquini with Ecpantheria denudata (must have hitchhiked into the county)</a><br />•no.2 -- the California Sister comes in many variants — <br /><a href="http://postimg.org/image/4jtet2k9p/" rel="nofollow"><b><i>Adelpha trafficusliti californica,</i></b> with a Leopard larva</a><br />•no.3 -- once I got the speakers and filters dialed in, minus the bush crickets… definitely a California sound/vibe —<br /><a href="https://youtu.be/OKADZbPpvpU" rel="nofollow">The Insect Surfers</a><br /><a href="https://youtu.be/2tKcydBz4e4" rel="nofollow">more TIS - not sure why they were at the Pearson-Arastradero Space Preserve (in spirit)</a><br /><a href="https://youtu.be/f9PTHJ5nvfo" rel="nofollow">the sounds of nature, starting to grow on me… "ORION CANYON"</a> <br /><a href="https://youtu.be/lFKfda0rTi4" rel="nofollow">"Tiger Shark" - nice guitars, definitely not the Beatles or beetles</a>remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-38116215630501817102015-07-30T15:16:31.259-07:002015-07-30T15:16:31.259-07:001. Lorquin’s Admiral (Limenitis lorquini)
I ent...1. Lorquin’s Admiral (Limenitis lorquini) <br />I entered [butterfly species in Alameda County]into the search box. The first result was www.butterfliesandmoths.org/checklists?species_type=All&tid=375 . The site has a search box for links to descriptions of the species.<br /><br />The image gallery for the site does not filter by location, so I tried another link from my original search that looked like it would have images specific to the region: www.sfbaywildlife.info/species/butterflies.htm . Scrolling down on the home page led to an image that matches and even says it was taken in Sunol Regional Wilderness.<br /><br />2. California Sister (Adelphia bredowii)<br />This one was easy, since the photo of this butterfly was right next to the photo of the Lorquin’s Admiral from the first search.<br /><br />After listening to sounds on several different sites (starting with a Google search for [California insect sounds], I found a site (www.songsofinsects.com ) where I narrowed the sound down to a type of cricket. I think it could be a Four-spotted Tree Cricket (Oecanthus quadripunctatus), even though its pitch may be higher than the mystery insect’s. I could try to analyze the mystery insect’s song for the kHz, but I’ve already spent too much time on this. :)<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17418550735351116796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-70027378136883399162015-07-29T13:15:51.647-07:002015-07-29T13:15:51.647-07:00Good day, Dr. Russell, fellow SearchResearchers
...Good day, <b> Dr. Russell, fellow SearchResearchers </b><br /><br />Searched:<br /><br />Search Google for this image for a and b questions.<br /><br />For case a: <br /><br />[california butterflies identification]<br /><br /><a href="http://www.pbase.com/tmurray74/california_and_nevada_butterflies" rel="nofollow">Lorquin's Admiral - Limenitis lorquini</a><br /><br />[Lorquin's Admiral]<br /><br /><a href="http://butterfly.ucdavis.edu/butterfly/Limenitis/lorquini" rel="nofollow">Riparian species</a><br /><br /><a href="http://butterfly.ucdavis.edu/glossary/3#term164" rel="nofollow">Riparian definition</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.gardenswithwings.com/butterfly/Lorquin%20Admiral/index.html" rel="nofollow">Lorquin Admiral (Limenitis lorquini)<br />Family: Brush-footed Butterfly (Nymphalidae) Subfamily: Admiral and Relative (Limenitidinae)</a><br /><br />For case b, <a href="http://www.laspilitas.com/butterflylist.htm" rel="nofollow">California Sister Butterfly, Adelpha bredowii californica</a><br /><br />[California sister Butterfly]<br /><br /><a href="http://www.butterfliesandmoths.org/species/adelpha-californica" rel="nofollow">Family: Nymphalidae. Subfamily: Limenitidinae</a> Includes Map about sightings. <br /><br />There found: [NCGR], but what is that? in Glossary of Entomological Terms says: NatureServe Global Status:<br />NatureServe is a non-profit conservation organization.<br />Global ranks indicate the rarity of a species at a global scale. Species may be fairly common globally but imperiled locally.<br /><br /> Global ranks have the following meaning:<br />G1 - Critically Imperiled - At very high risk of extinction due to extreme rarity (often 5 or fewer populations), very steep declines, or other factors. <br />G2 - Imperiled - At high risk of extinction due to very restricted range, very few populations (often 20 or fewer), steep declines, or other factors. <br />G3 - Vulnerable - At moderate risk of extinction due to a restricted range, relatively few populations (often 80 or fewer), recent and widespread declines, or other factors. <br />G4 - Apparently Secure - Uncommon but not rare; some cause for long-term concern due to declines or other factors. <br />G5 - Secure - Common; widespread and abundant.<br /><br />* ? or Q = status unknown or uncertainRamon Gonzalezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16129830563029534511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-55861273328139260152015-07-29T12:48:15.608-07:002015-07-29T12:48:15.608-07:00Fred has linked the sound of the cricket and this ...Fred has linked the sound of the cricket and this site supports its credibility. Interesting read & my thinking was correct about the wings but there is more to it. SEX. <br /><br />http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/09/060905-crickets.html<br />Rosemary Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12291661159622665464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-13172887892432630252015-07-29T10:07:19.713-07:002015-07-29T10:07:19.713-07:00both the sound sites are good finds Fred
the Sampl...both the sound sites are good finds Fred<br />the Sample Songs of Crickets and Katydids > Most complex song > Amblycorypha longinicta, common virtuoso katydid <br />most resembled Dan's sound snippet to me…?? (a Samsung Galaxy phone recording?) I looked at the time of year & day too <br />thought this was an interesting piece off your SERP sound page too — <a href="http://mashable.com/2013/08/30/cicada-hunt-app/" rel="nofollow">Cicada Hunt</a><br />will be interesting to see how Dan searches/sources sound…<br />btw: I guess earthworms only require "sock"<br /><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelpha_californica" rel="nofollow">separate species</a><br /><a href="http://www.butterfliesofamerica.com/docs/Adelpha_bredowii.pdf" rel="nofollow">Molecular and morphological evidence reveals three species within the California sister butterfly</a><br />remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-27576941682464115392015-07-29T09:22:12.721-07:002015-07-29T09:22:12.721-07:00How on earth will you figure out what kind of inse...How on earth will you figure out what kind of insect is making that sound? is great question. I read it wrong first time. Thought you were asking for animals in general and for that I don't have a clue<br /><br />For animals in general my path could be:<br />Take picture or record sound.<br />Limit where I saw or hear the animal.And then, maybe looking for an app or a tool as you have been telling us. <br /><br /><br />For this one, I searched [animal sound identification] in this case I know what can it be.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.findsounds.com/types.html" rel="nofollow">Search for sounds.</a> There looked for insects and recognized "cicada" here we know them as Chicharras.<br /><br />[Cicadas]<br /><br />Cicadas are insects in the order Hemiptera, suborder Auchenorrhyncha. Cicadas are in the superfamily Cicadoidea<br /><br /><a href="http://www.cicadamania.com/cicadas/" rel="nofollow">Cicadas by Genus and Species page.</a><br /><a href="http://www.magicicada.org/databases/magicicada/map.html" rel="nofollow">Even a map of them in 2015</a>Ramon Gonzalezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16129830563029534511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-76335059860971130162015-07-29T09:20:29.256-07:002015-07-29T09:20:29.256-07:00Query [study of insects] I couldn’t remember the n...Query [study of insects] I couldn’t remember the name “Entomology” Searching for possible terms <br /><br />Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entomology<br /> Identification of Insects > “ Lepidoptera (butterflies and moths) are typically identifiable to genus or species only through the use of Identification keys and Monographs.” Lepidoptera link in Wikipedia > “180,000 species of Lepidoptera are described, in 126 families[1] and 46 superfamilies,... It is one of the most widespread and widely recognizable insect orders in the world, encompassing moths and the three superfamilies of butterflies, skipper butterflies, and moth-butterflies.”<br /><br />Query [identification of butterflies] <br /><br />#1 http://www.gardenswithwings.com/identify-butterflies.html<br /><br />Criteria In California, open wing predominantly black & medium size > http://www.gardenswithwings.com/butterfly/Lorquin%20Admiral/index.html<br />Need confirmation & I couldn’t locate the second butterfly at this site.<br /><br />#2 http://www.pbase.com/tmurray74/california_and_nevada_butterflies <br /><br />There is the image of # 2 butterfly California Sister - Adelpha bredowii<br />And confirmation of # 1 butterfly Lorquin's Admiral - Limenitis lorquini<br /><br />#3 http://www.butterfliesandmoths.org/identification_tools <br />another possibility.<br /><br />Query [identification of insects by sound] I do believe living in the country this is the sound of crickets that I hear at night. If I recall these sounds are made by rubbing the wings together. But I don’t want to rely on generally accepted knowledge which isn’t the point of the challenge.<br /><br />#1 http://www.insectsingers.com/ Link to >Selected Cicada Species of the Western United States <br /><br />I don’t think any of these sounds are the same as the recording. I will come back later to search alternatives.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Rosemary Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12291661159622665464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-66243726512386303412015-07-29T09:19:16.235-07:002015-07-29T09:19:16.235-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Rosemary Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12291661159622665464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-10834273849840880992015-07-29T08:55:39.253-07:002015-07-29T08:55:39.253-07:00found via [california butterfly]
here they are, si...found via [california butterfly]<br />here they are, side by side by coincidence… Lorquin's Admiral - Limenitis lorquini (Sunol Regional Wilderness) & California Sister - Adelphia bredowii <br /><a href="http://www.sfbaywildlife.info/species/butterflies.htm" rel="nofollow">about ¾ down the page</a><br />(both good sites: ⬇)<br /><a href="http://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/50880--" rel="nofollow">add'l Lorquin's Admiral info</a><br /><a href="http://butterfly.ucdavis.edu/butterfly/Adelpha/bredowii_californica" rel="nofollow">add'l CA Sister info</a><br />as for the sound, it was largely inaudible to me, so I searched bugs> got to singing bush crickets & katydids… found this elucidating - wild guess…<br />(my 2nd guess was common earthworm wearing socks…)<br /><a href="https://youtu.be/AtEXALUU-SU" rel="nofollow">California Katydid (Microcentrum Californicum)</a><br /><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tettigoniidae" rel="nofollow"> Tettigoniidae, many to choose from</a><br /><a href="http://bugguide.net/node/view/595687" rel="nofollow">BugGuide node</a>remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-33779514662479829012015-07-29T08:42:12.977-07:002015-07-29T08:42:12.977-07:001. Lorquin Admiral (Limenitis lorquini)
2. Califor...1. Lorquin Admiral (Limenitis lorquini)<br />2. California Sister, Eulalia Sister; Limenitis bredowii<br />3. Four-spotted Tree Cricket<br /><br />In my first search by image, the SERP included two sites for identifying butterflies. <br />For the sound file I went to the page for the Beginner's Guide because I'm a beginner. I learned the difference between a trill (your sound), a raspy trill and a chirp. Trills are from crickets. I then went down the list looking at range. Surprisingly few crickets types in California. Going with the four-spotted tree cricket because of matching criteria. <br /><br />Search Path - <a href="http://www.one-tab.com/page/cz7a8-IHQSumGTY0q1FNVA" rel="nofollow">http://www.one-tab.com/page/cz7a8-IHQSumGTY0q1FNVA</a>krossbowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07877826327758153784noreply@blogger.com