tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post8339945950173840890..comments2024-03-28T18:39:59.184-07:00Comments on SearchReSearch: SearchResearch Challenge (2/26/20): Does banning plastic bags actually help? How can you find out? Dan Russellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-69068498324085233432020-03-09T16:36:40.125-07:002020-03-09T16:36:40.125-07:00from gMaps - 2nd gen bag
add'l pics E/W Market...<a href="https://tinyurl.com/tzjw2su" rel="nofollow">from gMaps - 2nd gen bag</a><br /><a href="https://tinyurl.com/vvg3cxy" rel="nofollow">add'l pics E/W Market — also gMaps</a>remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-29770374811568797482020-03-09T16:19:29.977-07:002020-03-09T16:19:29.977-07:00Vancouver… I searched… [plastic bags printed wi...Vancouver… I searched… [plastic bags printed with embarrassing slogans] https://tinyurl.com/rqcs6wr<br /><a href="https://www.wbur.org/npr/739580158/how-a-grocery-stores-plan-to-shame-customers-into-using-reusable-bags-backfired" rel="nofollow">Vancouver Market</a><br /><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/12/world/canada/plastic-bags-embarassing-messages.html" rel="nofollow">NYT</a><br /><a href="https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/07/08/739580158/how-a-grocery-stores-plan-to-shame-customers-into-using-reusable-bags-backfired" rel="nofollow">NPR</a><br /><a href="https://www.greenmatters.com/p/plastic-bags-with-embarrassing-messages" rel="nofollow">examples</a><br /><a href="https://www.narcity.com/news/ca/bc/vancouver/embarrassing-plastic-bags-are-shaming-canadian-grocery-shoppers-for-their-plastic-use-photos" rel="nofollow">EastWest Market</a>remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-64588489451091970442020-03-09T14:20:24.214-07:002020-03-09T14:20:24.214-07:00I'm thinking about writing a book about Uninte...I'm thinking about writing a book about Unintended Consequences. This would be a great story there. Do you have a cite for either this and/or the Montreal story? Dan Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-55510401153856354102020-03-09T14:18:58.339-07:002020-03-09T14:18:58.339-07:00Fascinating story. Thanks for posting it here. Fascinating story. Thanks for posting it here. Dan Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-17471104140592522212020-03-09T14:18:30.745-07:002020-03-09T14:18:30.745-07:00Nicely done, Ramón! Great finds. Nicely done, Ramón! Great finds. Dan Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-31999179512238858932020-03-09T14:17:57.915-07:002020-03-09T14:17:57.915-07:00Caution: Online videos can be addictive! Caution: Online videos can be addictive! Dan Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-22081248685428165512020-03-08T17:31:36.061-07:002020-03-08T17:31:36.061-07:00the effects of DST…
…not just bags, but now I find...the effects of DST…<br />…not just bags, but now I find out fish poop in the water too… wha? tmi<br />(at least I know where those went now…)<br /><a href="https://imgur.com/a/Nfp3rrd" rel="nofollow">thanks Google</a>remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-37634501311323245672020-03-03T09:39:27.075-08:002020-03-03T09:39:27.075-08:00searching the bag image
underwater baggage
Israel<a href="https://cnnespanol.cnn.com/video/chilenos-crean-bolsa-que-no-contamina-diluye-en-agua-bolsa-de-plastico-pkg-cnn-chile/" rel="nofollow">searching the bag image</a><br /><a href="https://tinyurl.com/s89c94o" rel="nofollow">underwater baggage</a><br /><a href="http://codexverde.cl/ano-israel-logro-reducir-la-mitad-las-bolsas-plastico-vertidas-mar/" rel="nofollow">Israel</a>remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-17637045067800414782020-03-03T09:20:31.057-08:002020-03-03T09:20:31.057-08:00courtesy of Deb & Anne… seepage… akin to leaka...courtesy of Deb & Anne… seepage… akin to leakage?<br /><a href="https://youtu.be/GLgh9h2ePYw" rel="nofollow">A Mockumentary - the fearsome teacup Yorkie… nightmares ensue</a><br />link here:<br /><a href="https://theconversation.com/plastic-bag-bans-can-backfire-if-consumers-just-use-other-plastics-instead-110571" rel="nofollow">by Rebecca Taylor</a>remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-48034266762966543492020-03-02T15:51:04.069-08:002020-03-02T15:51:04.069-08:00⌘-F leakage… ('leakage' seems inelegant &...⌘-F leakage… ('leakage' seems inelegant & subject to misinterpretation… imho, bwdik)<br /><a href="https://academic.oup.com/reep/article/9/2/246/1626618" rel="nofollow">the green paradox</a><br /><a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6686692/" rel="nofollow"> NCBI</a><br /><i>"referred to as non‐target entities. Leakage, slippage, or spillover have also been used in economics research "</i>remmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985809654574916217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-75839271985870671272020-03-02T09:56:57.131-08:002020-03-02T09:56:57.131-08:00Bingo! Now, can you say WHAT it was about that te...Bingo! Now, can you say WHAT it was about that term that alerted you to it? What part of your spidey-sense tingled when you saw it? Can you tell us? Dan Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13603209997260423532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-8763465639275928052020-03-02T08:00:04.387-08:002020-03-02T08:00:04.387-08:00Q3) just found the term! Leakage! Was looking for ...Q3) just found the term! Leakage! Was looking for info for Q4 and found this article -https://review.chicagobooth.edu/economics/2019/article/why-banning-plastic-bags-doesn-t-work-intended<br />Debra Gottslebenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08074610468240387547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-40241747362841752792020-03-01T06:03:11.333-08:002020-03-01T06:03:11.333-08:00I want to share with you these links. They are not...I want to share with you these links. They are not related to the Challenge and are interesting. Hopefully you like them too<br /><br /><a href="https://youtu.be/bSkPNMjRRio" rel="nofollow">ASTEROIDS Size Comparison ��</a><br /><br /><a href="https://www.bbc.com/mundo/noticias-51678890" rel="nofollow">February 30th. In Spanish</a><br /><br /><a href="https://youtu.be/esPK1WM4YJQ" rel="nofollow">Fighter Jets and Airshow in 4K Slow Motion (Super-zoom)</a>Ramon Gonzalezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16129830563029534511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-47417716921977504962020-02-29T13:52:33.942-08:002020-02-29T13:52:33.942-08:00Today's Unintended consequences. https://www...Today's Unintended consequences. https://www.facebook.com/eastwestmarket4169/<br />To discourage use of the East West Market's plastic bags and to get their customers to bring their own bags the market printed gross, embarraasing slogans on the market's plastic bags, The consequence of which, according the radio program "Under the Influence" was that people really liked them. No a bit put off. In fact people came to the market just to buy the bags. But, it turned out to not be a bad move because now, after original excitement, 96% of customers now bring their own bags.jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06450649073262987652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-5599480267857578272020-02-29T12:23:30.612-08:002020-02-29T12:23:30.612-08:00About unintended consequences, very interesting th...About unintended consequences, very interesting the case of Coronavirus (Covid19) and Corona beer. Apparently many people think virus came from beer or is related and sales are going downRamon Gonzalezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16129830563029534511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-59522788462775784282020-02-28T15:10:33.735-08:002020-02-28T15:10:33.735-08:00After reading Jon, searched [unintended consequenc...After reading Jon, searched [unintended consequences plastic bag ban]<br /><br />Lots of results and very interesting. Still need to read more. However, these 2 are very good and also the one from ABC mentions studies in Quebec, UK and California<br /><br /><a href="https://www.bagtheban.com/learn-the-facts/environment/" rel="nofollow">Plastic Bags and the Environment </a><br /><br /><a href="https://abcnews.go.com/US/plastic-bag-bans-helping-environment-results/story?id=68459500" rel="nofollow">Feb 2020.A plastic bag bans go into effect, some question the unintended consequences</a><br />Ramon Gonzalezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16129830563029534511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-71656047553490580172020-02-28T14:29:36.385-08:002020-02-28T14:29:36.385-08:00You've got me watching for unintended conseque...You've got me watching for unintended consequences, so from today's (27 Feb 2020) newspaper I note 2 of them. Montreal wanting to get hundreds of diesel buses off the streets built a light rapid transit train system. The cars turned out to be badly designed and/or badly made. Reliability is so bad that the buses have started running again. Another bungle: Alaska's governor cut Ferries funding by 30 per cent. Now, 11 of the 12 ferries are tied up til money is available fix them. Meanwhile communities that rely on the ferry system for grocery delivery are starving.jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06450649073262987652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-90003011368284029972020-02-28T09:34:49.151-08:002020-02-28T09:34:49.151-08:00Q2)It appears that Rebecca Taylor did extensive re...Q2)It appears that Rebecca Taylor did extensive research but it was only done in California, so one demographic. It would be interesting to see if this holds up in other areas. She also notes that she didn't tackle the issue of marine pollution "future research is needed on the costs and benefits of plastic marine debris reduction."Debra Gottslebenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08074610468240387547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-35299708042424233412020-02-28T08:16:05.006-08:002020-02-28T08:16:05.006-08:00For q)3 we thought of unintended consequences as t...For q)3 we thought of unintended consequences as the term but also found this article in Wikipedia on minimal counter-intuitiveness and then there is also maximal counter-intuitiveness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_minimal_counterintuitiveness_effect<br />Not sure if there are any other terms. This is what we came up with so far.Debra Gottslebenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08074610468240387547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-92032344036538488452020-02-28T07:23:08.109-08:002020-02-28T07:23:08.109-08:00Anne and Deb here. We loved this challenge! First ...Anne and Deb here. We loved this challenge! First question- we listened to the podcast and as we were listening it reminded me of a conversation that I had with my daughter who has her Ph.D in Chemistry. Her undergraduate degree is actually a masters in Chemistry with a concentration in environmental and green chemistry with industrial experience. Yes the name is that long! She has railed against plastic bag bans for years saying almost the same thing. So to find the article we did a search for - Rebecca Taylor plastic bag ban California - that led to the first result of this link- https://www.rebeccataylor.site/research when we clicked on it we got the title and abstract to a paper - Bag Leakage: The Effect of Disposable Carryout Bag Regulations on Unregulated Bags, Journal of Environmental Economics and Management. We then clicked on that and got the paper -https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0095069618305291 This appears to be the paper mentioned. We will post answers to other questions separately. Debra Gottslebenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08074610468240387547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-4664338901061472242020-02-27T11:46:51.046-08:002020-02-27T11:46:51.046-08:003. Technical term: I knew this. "law of unin...<br />3. Technical term: I knew this. "law of unintended consequences" Goo cleverly came up with images/cartoons first. They are great.<br /><br />4. Nearby place that tried it. City of Victoria BC Canada enacted a bylaw January 2018 banning merchants from handing out plastic bags. <br /><br />Globalnews.ca: The ban was challenged in court by the Canadian Plastic Bag Association, and B.C.’s top court ruled in July that Victoria had exceeded its legal authority by implementing the ban without provincial approval, which is required under the province’s Community Charter.<br /><br />“Legislative initiatives such as the city’s bylaw, which aim to protect the environment, can have unintended and harmful effects,” said the association.<br /><br />“For example, research that was available to the city has shown that plastic bags typically outperform paper bags and, from an environmental perspective, are in many ways the best packaging option, given that they can be recycled.”<br /><br />The Supreme Court of Canada dismissed an appeal from the city on Thursday, January 23, 2020 which sought to overturn a lower court ruling quashing the ban.<br />jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06450649073262987652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-20601482550778576282020-02-27T11:34:18.943-08:002020-02-27T11:34:18.943-08:001. The story is clearly talking about a paper that...1. The story is clearly talking about a paper that Rebecca Taylor wrote. Can you find that paper? (What's the title? Where was it published?) <br /><br />{rebecca Taylor "plastic bags"] finds it at https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0095069618305291?utm_campaign=money&utm_content=20190408&utm_medium=email&utm_source=npr_newsletter&utm_term=nprnews <br /><br />Title: Bag leakage: The effect of disposable carryout bag regulations on unregulated bags<br />Published: 4 January 2019 in Sydney Australia via Journal of Environmental Economics and Management<br /><br />Well, the abstract is there anyway. The actual article would cost me 50 Canadian pesos.<br /><br /><br />2. Once you find that paper, can you tell us where the data was collected from? How representative is this data? <br /><br />Data: from the bottom of the page: This project would not be possible without the institutional and technical support of the retailers that provided data and access to their stores. This paper reflects the author's own analyses and calculations based on data from individual retailers and data from The Nielsen Company (US), LLC and marketing databases provided by the Kilts Center for Marketing Data at the University of Chicago Booth School of Business, Copyright © 2018 The Nielsen Company (US), LLC, <br /><br />I humbly suggest this is a good start but there are many others ways to dispose of garbage.jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06450649073262987652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-82183402452195968512020-02-27T05:39:27.005-08:002020-02-27T05:39:27.005-08:00In BBC Mundo (Spanish) read these articles:
Data ...In BBC Mundo (Spanish) read these articles:<br /><br /><a href="https://www.bbc.com/mundo/noticias-51058181" rel="nofollow">Data about plastic bags (Spanish)</a><br /><br />Mentions: "Green Alliance Plastic Promises: what the grocery sector is really doing about packaging ("Promesas plásticas: qué está haciendo realmente el sector de la alimentación sobre el empaquetado"). Still need to read that.<br /><br />Las bolsas de plástico deberían ser reusadas al menos cuatro veces, las de papel tres, mientras que las de algodón 131 veces. And, these data is very different from what Remmij found and also with what other articles mentions. Why so much differences?<br /><br /><a href="https://www.bbc.com/mundo/noticias-50208501" rel="nofollow">Sten Gustaf Thulin the inventor of plastic bags- Por qué las bolsas de algodón y papel pueden ser tan dañinas para el medio ambiente como las de plástico </a><br /><br /><a href="https://www.green-alliance.org.uk/plastic_promises.php" rel="nofollow">UK Supermarkets. Plastic promises: what the grocery sector is really doing about packaging</a><br /><br />Out of topic: I just read that are streaming Cherry blossom as people can't visit due to Covid19. I wanted to watch so searched and found nothing. Can you found the stream? I just found this <a href="http://en.csnbgsh.cn/sites/chenshan/chenshan_en/Video.ashx" rel="nofollow">Videos: Shanghai Chenshan Botanical Garden</a><br />Ramon Gonzalezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16129830563029534511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-1743622194121798022020-02-26T18:57:13.248-08:002020-02-26T18:57:13.248-08:003. no good deed goes unpunished, comes to mind3. no good deed goes unpunished, comes to mindjonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06450649073262987652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4953008377950396317.post-76016670882570968442020-02-26T12:37:27.659-08:002020-02-26T12:37:27.659-08:00For this Challenge, decided to start searching New...For this Challenge, decided to start searching New Scientist. Why? Because I read an article about the topic in the past and I liked. Therefore searched on Twitter [@newscientist plastic bag] recent<br /><br /><a href="https://www.newscientist.com/article/2217483-plastic-tea-bags-shed-billions-of-microplastic-particles-into-the-cup/" rel="nofollow">Plastic tea bags shed billions of microplastic particles into the cup (2019)</a><br /><br /><br /><a href="https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23831780-100-fixing-planet-plastic-how-well-really-solve-our-waste-problem/" rel="nofollow">2018: Fixing planet plastic: How we'll really solve our waste problem </a> This didn't work as we need to have subscription to read<br /><a href="https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23831781-900-plastic-waste-is-a-problem-but-some-solutions-are-even-worse/" rel="nofollow">Plastic waste is a problem – but some solutions are even worse </a><br /><br />[Rebecca Taylor plastic bags]<br /><br /><a href="https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2019/04/09/711181385/are-plastic-bag-bans-garbage" rel="nofollow">Are Plastic Bag Bans Garbage?</a> "...Trash bags are thick and use more plastic than typical shopping bags. "So about 30 percent of the plastic that was eliminated by the ban comes back in the form of thicker garbage bags," Taylor says...."... Also article has other studies that I haven't visited<br /><br />The articles links to:<br /><br /><a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0095069618305291" rel="nofollow">Bag leakage: The effect of disposable carryout bag regulations on unregulated bags</a><br /><br />2019: Journal of Environmental Economics and Management and it is about regulations in California<br /><br />[effect one ban jumps sales of other]<br /><br /><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwagon_effect" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia: Bandwagon effect is</a><br /><br />[plastic bag ban new markets]<br /><br /><a href="https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/renewed-interest-in-traditional-bags/" rel="nofollow">Mexico bags</a><br /><br /><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_lightweight_plastic_bags" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia: Phase-out of lightweight plastic bags</a><br /><br />[plastic bag ban creates new markets]<br /><br />Need to read article by NatGeo<br /><br /><a href="https://www.euractiv.com/section/climate-environment/news/the-hidden-economic-benefits-of-the-banning-plastic-bags/" rel="nofollow">“re-localising” production.</a><br /><br /><a href="https://www.cleanseas.org/impact/birth-ban-history-plastic-shopping-bag" rel="nofollow">From birth to ban: A history of the plastic shopping bag</a><br /><br /><a href="https://www.businesstoday.com.my/2018/10/01/plastic-bag-ban-to-kickstart-new-style-economy/" rel="nofollow">Circular Economy is the term coined for the new-style marketplaces where resources (such as plastics) are used again and again in a continuous cycle of profit and sustainability.</a><br />Ramon Gonzalezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16129830563029534511noreply@blogger.com