I got curious...
... so I did a little follow-up research.
Although I had a PDF of The Book of St. Albans, I somehow could not find the terms of venery in the file. And that bothered me.
As Isaac Asimov said, "the most important word in science isn't Eureka, but that's funny..." (QuoteInvestigator)
And it was funny that I couldn't actually find the collective nouns in the text.
So I did a little more searching...
After a bit (continuing on after I'd already written the previous blogpost), I learned that they're in the "Hunting" section of the book.
Recall that the St. Albans book comes in multiple parts: there are treatises on hawking, hunting, and cote armour (heraldry and coats of arms). It was printed at Saint Albans by the schoolmaster-printer in 1486, and you can download a scan of a facsimile of the book at Google Books. That is, the Google Books document is a scan of a copy (a facsimile) of a book that was printed with some commentary to explain why this book is so important.
Alas, that scan is difficult to read and the Google Books version doesn't help out by not providing page numbers. (So I couldn't tell what pages I'd read or not!)
But by searching for [ Boke of Saint Albans ] in the Hathi Trust and in the Internet Archive, I managed to find a couple more high-quality scans of facsimiles.
In particular, the Hathi Trust version of "The boke of Saint Albans by Dame Juliana Berners, containing treatises on hawking, hunting, and cote armour: printed at Saint Albans by the schoolmaster-printer in 1486; reproduced in facsimile, with an introduction by William Blades" was a bit easier to read, and after a while, I found the section I was looking for--the list of venery terms. Or, as it appears in the book, "The Compaynys of beestys and fowlys." Note that the pages don't have numbers... the book predates the common use of page numbers! HOWEVER... In the Hathi Trust version, these are pages 121, 122, 123. (That's the little numbers you see in the upper right corner of each scan.) {Note: You can also find these pages on the Internet Archive's scan, beginning with page 114}
This text is a bit difficult to read (it IS from the very end of the era of Middle English), so the spellings and characters used are very different that what you'd expect in a current English text.
A page from "A Compilation of Collective Nouns" by M. L. Hooks |
And now we know.
Keep searching!
ther's 'drillyng down' and thanne ther ys 'dan's drillyng down' — al verray ynterestyng – thanks for the deeper dive
ReplyDeletenoun. archaic. A pack of hounds. 'the abbot had a mute of hounds' (p.122)
…wonder if they ever bark up a silent tree?
p.122, first column – 'a fighting of beggars'?
Sasan's sons
leading to linguistics… even secret versions for beggars - or word magicians…
old Scotland —
Deletebook of deer - at Cambridge
even harder to read
book of deer here with others…
from here:
links in wiki…
sometimes the illustrations are surprising & mysterious… and offset the difficult text
ReplyDeletebook of deer
Buzz would be impressed…
ReplyDeletetwo different variants of infinity are actually the same size
We need a person reading/speaking a bit of this ancient stuff; In the meantime:
ReplyDeleteNew collective news 3 Dec 2021
‘Mesmerising’: a massive murmuration of budgies is turning central Australia green and gold
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/04/mesmerising-a-massive-murmuration-of-budgies-is-turning-central-australia-green-and-gold
The writing is called Paleaography and there is lots of help if you are interested:
Deletehttps://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/palaeography/tutorial/default.htm
http://www.genealogyintime.com/GenealogyResources/Articles/how-to-read-old-handwriting-page1.html
If you're short of ideas for the next Challenge, you might ask your readers to find out how people managed to find their way around books before the adoption of modern page-numbering. (I know he answer, and I think your readers may find it interesting).
ReplyDelete@PK – on screen, Command (or Cmd) ⌘-F
Deletethis short history seems plausible…
pagination &Internet, bibliographic conventions have changed.
"(so the logic apparently goes) if I, the reader, want to locate a word or passage in students’ texts, I should use the find function, not revert to the apparently antiquated convention of pagination."
you would seem a reliable source… you have eminent first-hand knowledge - your eyes have been privileged…
Deletehad you seen the Gary Larsen deer before?;-]
the gilding has faded…
impressive resume
Peter Kidd
much to peruse… thanks
ended in 2017
Oxford exhibit 2017
more Kidd
Deletetwitter
blogspot
also see…
K YANKO
more Kidd referral
DeleteEarlier today while watching one of my favorite teams, they showed, up close and personal, an alligator. So I immediately asked – what is a collection of alligators called? That’s probably not in The Book of St. Albans. It turns out the answer is a “congregation”. I was more interested to learn that a group of hatchling gators is called a “pod”, as in the earlier reference I found that defined a pod of whales as generally consisting of young ones. We typically have different names for young and mature animals of a species, but I wonder how often we have distinguishing names for the groups of them.
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