Wednesday, November 26, 2014

No search challenge today... but a question!

IT's just about Thanksgiving here, and the next few days are going to be a bit crazy.  Thanksgiving is tomorrow, my birthday and my son's birthdays are in the next couple of days, people are visiting from out of town... it'll be great, but also very busy.  

I'm also hosting the Program Committee meeting for the Learning at Scale 2015 conference on Monday--so it's really going to be busy.  

But if you really want to do a challenge, here's an old one about Thanksgiving (On the origins of cranberry sauce?) from a couple of years ago.  Interestingly, the answer given back then no longer works (Google deprecated that particular timeline tool a while back).  So feel free to find a new path, and let us know!  

Nevertheless, I still have a question for you.  

Last week's Challenge was a little more difficult than the ordinary ones.  So I was wondering how many people would be interested in attending a Google Hangout so I could go over the answer with you.  I was thinking about just showing the whole process from finding the data, through cleaning it, through creating the final charts.  

Interested?  If so, please fill out the form here: CLICK ME!   Results next week.  If we can round up a quorum, we'll do a live Hangout and have a good time.  

Happy Thanksgiving, Happy Birthday, or Happy whatever-your-local-festival-is!  

Search on! 


  1. Quick response - Perhaps this new timeline [Google & Wikipedia] is up and running?


  2. My approach was to look for cookbooks [journals, letters] and this book if available online would provide details which appear to be from various sources. No Better Thing Under the Sun: Making the First Thanksgiving by Helen Stringer "Using a selection of primary sources, including Pilgrim accounts, period cook books, and probate inventories, the author brings the world of the Mayflower settlers to life and creates a 17th century feast incorporating only the ingredients they would have had available (including the five deer that the Wampanoag contributed)"

  3. I am still working with the Snow, and still having issues with text editors to transform txt file into CSV. Meanwhile,

    What recipe for cranberry sauce that was used at the first Thanksgiving feast at Plymouth in 1621?
    Searches and Answers

    [cranberries sauce 1621 history]
    [cranberries sauce 1621 history]

    History Of Holiday Cranberry Sauce "Kraanberry" means "crane´s bill". American cranberry took shape 1816. Sand improved in bogs
    17th Century Recipes
    Truth about first Thanksgiving As today only until 1800s. Kathleen Curtin. Plimoth plantation Museum.

    [kathleen Curtin] Google Books

    [cranberry sauce] 1621, was called "Harvest Celebration"

    No Cranberries in 1621

    [cranberries sauce first english mention]

    First turkey mention by Alexander Hamilton Also mentions Cranberry Jelly on Ladies Home Journal 1893.

    ["Sauce to eat with… Meat" english writer]
    What Was on the Menu at the First Thanksgiving?

    [cranberries thanksgiving timeline]

    FIRST THANKSGIVING MEAL Sarah Josepha Hale, recreated first Thanksgiving
    Canned cranberry sauce in 1912

    [cranberry origin]

    Cranberry History; Americans consume some 400 millions pounds of cranberries a year.


    [original around(3) thanksgiving] Proclamated by Abraham Lincoln. Here I deleted pemmicana by mistake.

    [pemmican around(3) thanksgiving]
    Recipes using cranberries date back to the 1700s.

    [cranberry] Book 1621: A New Look at Thanksgiving.


    What recipe for cranberry sauce that was used at the first Thanksgiving feast at Plymouth in 1621?
    Apparently no turkey and no cranberry on the first Thanksgiving.

    Have a fantastic and happy Thanksgiving Day.

  4. Mourt's Relation Or Journal of the Plantation at Plymouth
    By William Bradford, Edward Winslow via Books

    11 Dec 1621 on the first anniversary of his arrival, Edward Winslow writes from Plimmouth in New-England to England describing many wonderful aspects of life in the new world.

    No mention is made of cranberries.

    There is lots of
    Indian corne as pleasant as rice
    eeles, mussells and clams and oysters
    Salad herbs
    Grapes, white and red
    Strawberries, Gooseberries and raspberries
    Plums of 3 sorts
    Roses, white red and damask
    cod, lobster, and other fishes
    Fowles aplenty (turkeys too?)

    He had arrived 1 year earlier. Harvest was really good. So why would anyone there celebrate the bountiful harvest by eating pemmican as has been suggested ?

    jon tU

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    1. I deleted the post because it was already published.

      [turkey symbol thanksgiving origin]

      It is unclear when turkeys became the undisputed symbol of Thanksgiving Day
      And as the original New England Thanksgiving grew more secular, it became an early winter holiday custom that eventually spread throughout the entire nation. Some regions - Virginia in particular - resisted the adoption of this Yankee holiday, although Jefferson Davis proclaimed a nationwide Thanksgiving before Abraham Lincoln did. And while Lincoln did declare the first in the modern sequence of Thanksgivings in 1863, Thanksgiving did not become a legal holiday until 1941.

      The National Bird Myth

      [jefferson davis around(3) Thanksgiving day]

      Jefferson Davis' Thanksgiving Proclamation

      [Turkey as symbol subject:"thanksgiving day"]

      Cranberry 1672 Thanksgiving: The Biography of an American Holiday By James W. Baker. Books also mentions berries commercial cultivation 1816. Recipes for cranberries Amelia Simmons´American Cookery (1796)

      Happy Birthday, Dr. Russell and also the same for your son in his almost birthday.

  6. Happy Birthdays !

    The new path I found also refers to the above.

    SEARCH [pemmican 1621] finds your previous answer near the top of page 1 too.

    jon tU

  7. I'm heading over a river and through some woods for dinner, but wanted to just put my thoughts down before leaving. Now 4 years later and many things learned, my first thought was how has language changed since then.
    Brief searches using Reverse search on Onelook and other sites for cranberry and recipe.

    Cranberry has been known as other names like fenwort, bear berry and more.

    Recipe has also been known as receipts and the word applied in the 1500s-1600s more toward medical prescriptions.

    That's where I am at the moment.

    Happy Birthday Dr. Russell.