Wednesday, July 23, 2025

SearchResearch Challenge (7/23/25): Wake up and smell the 19th century coffee?

There's a small shift in focus for SearchResearch... 

An AI generated image that's intentionally slightly misleading. 
(So don't waste time mining this image for clues.  Read the Challenge below!)  


... it's been brewing for a while, and is one that lends itself to this week's Challenge.  There are changes afoot at the old SearchResearch Rancho, and I want to keep you in the loop.  

As you probably noticed, the process of doing online research has been rapidly changing with the advent of AI methods.  Consequently, the things we talk about here are changing as well.  

Each week I'll try to focus on either:  

A. Something so interesting we have to talk about it.  You's seen these Challenges before--topics like Hummingbird Hawk-moths or why some clocks use IIII rather than IV.   

There are really two reasons to do these "interesting" Challenges:  (1) you still need to have the basic search skills to find a good, high quality answer; and (2) I'm trying to get everyone to learn to see the world around them with a bit of a curious eye.  I hope everyone will get into the habit of asking "why is this like that?" or "what is that thing anyway?"  Learning to see--rather than just look--is a fundamental skill for SearchResearch.    As Betty Edwards says, “We mostly see what we have learned to expect to see.” (In:  Color: A Course in Mastering the Art of Mixing Colors)  I want to encourage everyone to see rather than merely look.  

B. Discussions of new (mostly AI-based) ways of doing online research and evaluating what you find.  That's what last week's Challenge was all about: So what ARE LLMs good at? What are they bad at?   

And I expect that we'll alternate the Interesting with the Discussions posts as we go forward.  

This week is one of those Interesting Challenges... 


I came across a claim in my reading that struck me as so strange and bizarre that I had to SRS the claim.  Is this true?  If so, can you find reasonable evidence for it?  

1. I read that during 19th century Germany, it was prohibited to roast coffee beans without official royal approval. One couldn't import, roast, grind, or sell coffee to the masses.  What's more (and even stranger, which is what makes this a fun Challenge), the government employed people whose job was to literally sniff out illicit coffee production.  Since it's hard to hide the smell of coffee roasting, it seems unlikely!  So the big question is:  Was this a real thing?  If so, who, when, where, and most of all, WHY?  

As mentioned, the point in these Interesting Challenges is to find the answer, but JUST as importantly, to learn a method for finding the answer and validating it.  

What can you do with the Challenge this week?  Can you sniff out the answer?  

Be sure to let us know what you did to find the answer!  (Yes, all methods are good--but you should say what you did, and give some background information on why you find this plausible.)  



Keep searching! 


10 comments:

  1. I probably should go back and try to answer this the old way - choosing keywords from the question and googling. But in 2025 that's a waste of time when we have powerful AI tools. So I pasted the question in Perplexity (Deep Research) (correcting the typo "prohibited to coffee beans" by adding in "roast"). And hey presto, up came the answer.
    1) Yes this was a real thing - but not Germany as a whole. It was Prussia (and also possibly Hesse-Kassel).
    2) Frederick the Great of Prussia prohibited ordinary citizens from roasting coffee without royal sanction, and he employed disabled war veterans to literally sniff out illegal coffee production.
    3) The reason why links to the 7-Years war which almost bankrupted Prussia - with large amounts leaving Prussia just to pay for Coffee. This was seen as a real threat to economic rebuilding.

    The full answer is at https://www.perplexity.ai/search/i-read-that-during-19th-centur-kwKat0FYTR.6004j7dnFyw

    I did verify the information e.g. at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_sniffers
    https://www.mashed.com/665980/the-real-reasons-coffee-was-banned-in-prussia/
    https://brookstonbeerbulletin.com/when-frederick-the-great-went-to-war-on-coffee/

    And several other sources including
    https://www.gutenberg.org/files/28500/28500-h/28500-h.htm "All About Coffee, by William H. Ukers" published in 1922.
    This includes:
    "Meanwhile coffee met with some opposition in Prussia and Hanover. Frederick the Great became annoyed when he saw how much money was paid to foreign coffee merchants for supplies of the green bean, and tried to restrict its use by making coffee a drink of the "quality". Soon all the German courts had their own coffee roasters, coffee pots, and coffee cups....
    Whereupon, in 1781, finding that all his efforts to reserve the beverage for the exclusive court circles, the nobility, and the officers of his army, were vain, the king created a royal monopoly in coffee, and forbade its roasting except in royal roasting establishments....

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  2. I started with [Germany sniff illicit coffee]

    Result show a post. However when I tried it wasn't available.

    Then just clicked the photography on images. And found the same image but on Wikipedia

    The coffee sniffers (German Kaffeeriecher or Kaffeeschnüffler)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_sniffers

    Prussia & Landgraviate of Hesse-Kassel

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landgraviate_of_Hesse-Kassel

    Asked about it [landgraviate of hesse-kassel today]

    Google AI resume say:now part of the German state of Hesse, with Kassel as a major city.

    On Wikipedia German, I visited individual references. This article is interesting


    In German from 2020: Which jobs have disappeared
    https://www.sueddeutsche.de/karriere/arbeit-berufe-archiv-vergangenheit-geschichte-1.4871048

    Then asked Perplexity [What can you tell me about coffee sniffers]

    https://www.perplexity.ai/search/what-can-you-tell-me-about-cof-ANkn3.2qSbOnlrqKzBRbuQ#0

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    1. thanks for the perplexity.ai link Ramon... I hadn't tried that before.
      https://www.perplexity.ai/search/what-is-the-nature-of-internet-f3DelGl1SuO635lgucrSXw

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    2. Thank you, Remmij!

      Another curious case. Russia & Finland: frogs to keep milk fresh

      https://x.com/IntEngineering/status/1948186368632651979?t=Tvnbc1We3c215FLAzTHVDQ&s=19

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  3. I know you said NOT to mine the image for clues...
    the only thing I could discern was that 'sniffing', 'roasting' and 'cooking' have gone for years in the elite circles.
    not sure he is Prussian - maybe faux Irish(Mincéirí)
    https://i.imgur.com/k2HYrd4.jpeg
    fwiw, some say it is healthier than alcohol...
    (& safer than Ambien/zolpidem? especially for the elderly.)
    https://www.release.org.uk/drugs/crack-cocaine/pharmacology
    "Navigating Mainstream Culture:
    Subcultures often exist in tension with the dominant culture, sometimes challenging it and sometimes finding ways to coexist."


    I tried to duplicate, but the result was also "slightly misleading" - might be a little AI interesting... or not.
    https://i.imgur.com/mxDQMZa.jpeg

    Betty rules...
    "The New New Drawing on the Wrong/Under Side of the Brain"
    https://shorturl.at/u8xmd

    kudos to Arthur - informative, thorough & succinct
    good to see sRs adapting to the rapidly changing times -
    in the giddy run-up to AGI & ASI... there will be much "sniffing".
    followed by gnashing of teeth and weeping, such is evolution.

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  4. ... it got odder - might be the baking soda?, but still elite & 'precious'. and 'otter'
    https://i.imgur.com/xyZ05gr.jpeg
    https://i.imgur.com/T0hCWd8.jpeg

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  5. ~400 military wounded/invalids... so it was a jobs program too.

    https://i.imgur.com/6vlkAgy.jpeg

    https://www.espresso-international.com/coffee-sniffer#:~:text=The%20import%20of%20green%20coffee,plants%20and%20earned%20high%20commissions.

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  6. https://i.imgur.com/ehyvbGW.jpeg
    ...they say it tastes like liquid Earth dung.... has the appearance of Lagomorpha berries too... coffee cherries
    https://sfbaycoffee.com/blogs/articles/coffee-fruit-everything-you-need-to-know-about-coffee-cherries#:~:text=Coffee%20cherries%20are%20small%2C%20rounded,sustainable%2C%20health%2Dfocused%20ingredient.

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  7. Ich habe ganz altmodisch mit einer Google-Suche nach [ 1800er Deutsche Kaffeegesetze ] begonnen. Die KI-Zusammenfassung gab mir einen kurzen Überblick und enthielt Links, darunter einen zu den Kaffeeschnüfflern in Wikipedia. Die SERP enthielt Videos und Artikel über Friedrich den Großen und den Krieg gegen den Kaffee. Ich stellte fest, dass der Krieg gegen den Kaffee im 18. Jahrhundert begann. Friedrich der Große starb im Jahr 1787.

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  8. checking Google Books (need more caffeine...)

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/All_about_Coffee/4O_RAAAAMAAJ?q=Prussia&gbpv=1#f=false

    from Ukers book on coffee, 1922
    https://www.google.com/books/edition/All_about_Coffee/4O_RAAAAMAAJ?q=Frederick+the+Great+of+Prussia+coffee&gbpv=0#f=false

    William Harrison Ukers:
    https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=d590ad2ae697755e&sxsrf=AE3TifMDlPk39R4a6Vn7zMcO7OTRVloE3A:1753432530688&q=inauthor:%22William+Harrison+Ukers%22&udm=36

    https://www.mashed.com/665980/the-real-reasons-coffee-was-banned-in-prussia/

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