Wednesday, July 22, 2015

Search Challenge (7/22/15): Time zone eccentricities?


Time zones... 

... are a 19th century invention, really.  TIME has always been around, of course, and for the largest part of human history, time was defined by whenever noon happened locally.  That's easy to figure out, but as tech advanced, we suddenly needed to define time carefully so (for example) trains could arrive on time.  

Time zones don't often follow straight lines
For quite a while, different train companies had their own "time zone," which was clearly crazy.  (The stationmaster had to keep multiple clocks to know what time each train system thought it was, and when they'd arrive.) 

Eventually we figured out that creating time zones, that is, regions of the planet that all share a single clock time, was a great idea.  

The obvious thing to do would be to create 24 time zones, each defined by a line of longitude.  But then things get wonky:  the longitude lines ignore things like country and city boundaries.  It would be a real hassle to have the west half of your town in one time zone, and the east half in another.  

So.. time zones have interesting boundaries.  I was looking at one such map the other day and noticed that it's extremely strange in places. 

And when things get strange, that looks like a Search Challenge.  

So here are 3 questions for you: 

1.  What time is it in Newfoundland (Canada)?  And why is it different than the time in Prince Edward island (which is due south of Newfoundland)?  
2. Can you create your own time zone map by finding data that gives the actual boundary lines for each zone?  (If you do make your own map, please share the URL for your creation!  We'd all love to see it.)  
3.  Once you've made that map, what's the strangest time zone anomaly you can find?  

I know this sounds kind of difficult, but I suspect it's simpler than you might expect.  

And when you've found that anomaly, be sure to tell us HOW you found it and WHY you think that's the oddest anomaly.  

(While you're at it, can you figure out why it's so anomalous?  Is there a story there?  In my experience, there usually is...) 

Here's one of my favorite pictures from my 2004 trip to Fiji.  It's where the date line crosses through Taveuni.  Yeah, it's Sunday on one side of the sign, and Monday on the other.  

It has to happen somewhere! 

Search on! 




21 comments:

  1. Good day, Dr. Russell, fellow SearchResearchers

    Searched:

    I saw the amazing TV Series "How we get to now" and one episode is about time. So:

    [how we get to now time]

    Time zone origin USA Railroads

    Time Summary

    [William F. Allen time zones]

    Noticed Google new feature: People also ask.

    The inventor of Standard Time. Harvard.edu
    What Every American Should Know About American History: 225 Events that ...By Alan Alelrod 1869 Profesor Charles Dowd made first proposal based on Washington, D.C., meridian.. William Allen reduced time zones from 50 to 4...Canada's maritimes providences had new one months later.

    Time Standardization


    [time zone newfoundland][time zone newfoundland vs prince edward island]

    Prince Edward Island is in the Atlantic Time Zone, which is UTC-4 hours.

    [greenwich time zones filetype:csv]

    [time zones greenwich meridian]

    Military & Civilian Time Designations

    [time zones google map]

    World Time Zones: What time is it in every time zone?

    [time zone anomalies]


    Answers

    1. What time is it in Newfoundland (Canada)? And why is it different than the time in Prince Edward island (which is due south of Newfoundland)?
    A: What time zone is Newfoundland in?

    Newfoundland, Canada is in the Newfoundland Time Zone, 3.5 hours behind Greenwich Mean Time (GMT-3:30).Newfoundland Standard time is 30 minutes ahead of Atlantic Standard Time (in effect in the Maritime provinces) and 1.5 hours ahead of Eastern Standard Time (in effect in New York and Toronto). Site also tells why Newfoundland chose that time zone

    2. Can you create your own time zone map by finding data that gives the actual boundary lines for each zone? (If you do make your own map, please share the URL for your creation! We'd all love to see it.)

    Google Map World Timezone Map

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  2. …time, space… dark matter, maybe dark time and the dark web… all worthy of ponder… if I just had more ti…
    just saw this "blue marble" (looking at Mexico & Caribbean) NASA photo and apparently the mud ball is being sucked into a wormhole… thanks Earth Polychromatic Imaging Camera (EPIC)
    — that may wrinkle the whole time question — and on top of that, my aPPLEwATCH is on the fritz… it just keeps
    giving me stock quotes for NeXT — don't know if that is pre/post/ or intra-wormhole… thanks SPJ
    ~30 year - extraordinary
    DARKWTII?
    more marbles, some lost
    on the subject of measures pretty interesting and ties to the BIPM
    my source of time…and the second insertion (30 June 2015)
    for rrR, eh… summer winter variances - btw, nice work by you and Ramón on the last search [monitor]
    the "monitor" search had me crying & ready to hit the bottle
    how do they keep the Seattle rain out of those things? a touch of dorade vent?
    a BBC bit on time zones that was helpful

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    1. Thanks Remmij!

      Photos are great as usual and the links provide very interesting knowledge. For example, to know the first Marble photo was in 1972. Dorade box is also good to know. And the BBC interactive globe and history of time zones helps to understand more about them.

      [Time Zones] Google Images

      Time zone changed in 1942, the Spanish dictator General Franco moved Spain onto Central European Time to follow Germany


      Worldwide Map 2012 time zones.
      World Map of Time Zones (January 2015)

      Also recently read about :Cancun Will Change to Eastern Standard Time

      Misma línea que Nueva York y otras partes de Estados Unidos.

      Zona Sureste que se refiere al meridiano 75 oeste será la que regirá al Estado de Quintana Roo.

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  3. 1) Query [time zone Newfoundland] Newfoundland Time Zone UTC−03:30 or 3.5 hours less than Coordinated Universal Time to the Island, offshore islands and a portion of Labrador. The rest recognize the Atlantic Time Zone UTC-04:00.

    “This time zone exists because of the location of the island and the fact that it was a separate dominion when the time zones were established.”

    2) Knowing a bit about the Universal Transverse Mercator for GPS systems I thought there might be some correlation between the two systems. http://bit.ly/srs_22_July_2015_UTMreference

    Here’s the UTM zones worldwide. http://imgur.com/8LbZYjQ At this point I don’t see a link but perhaps I will need this later.

    Query [official time zones] Image search http://www.rususa.com/data/pictures/site/cities/World_TimeZones.gif

    Query [interactive map of world time zones] http://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/

    3) Query [time zone oddities] http://ontimezone.com/exceptions.php

    Interesting oddities in Canada (those rebels! who knew?) http://www.canadiangeographic.ca/magazine/so98/alacarte.asp

    Here’s an article arguing against time zones http://www.vox.com/2014/8/5/5970767/case-against-time-zones with a link to the existing map via Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_zone#mediaviewer/File:World_Time_Zones_Map.png

    Not sure how with all the irregularities we could create our own map. We’d need a database from some a site like http://www.geonames.org/

    I’ll get back.

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  4. Quick look at this site suggests the information is in here but right now it looks complicated to me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tz_database#Zone.tab

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  5. I have uploaded data from Wikipedia into Fusion Tables but I need a method to convert from utc to long/lat. I will think about it further. https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=11AIs2z2KTEpaKjqZK-wRO-sKZjRoK2cXK4A5m1N3

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  6. Here’s one more site that may provide the necessary links or information.
    How to get a time zone from a location using latitude and longitude coordinates?

    http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16086962/how-to-get-a-time-zone-from-a-location-using-latitude-and-longitude-coordinates

    This is all I have for now.

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    1. I have not had the time this week but whenever I get a few minutes I do some more searching. Perhaps others will find the sites useful as well.

      Query [map with database for time zones ] takes me here which looks interesting and I think we can find a solution within (at least I hope so)

      https://www.iana.org/time-zones/repository/tz-link.html

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    2. Sorry this may be a repost from yesterday

      Query [ "time zones" "geolocations"] Here's how Google does it? Seems simple enough :)

      http://www.google.ca/patents/US7948832

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  7. I have a question related to this week's challenge: How many hours are there in a day?

    At first this seems simple, 24, right? But by the time 24 hours of any given calendar day has past in New Zealand, that day is still going on in other parts of the world. And in our digitally connected world where we can instantly communicate with, or get news from any timezone, this becomes significant.

    I am pretty sure I know the answer, but I enjoy this question and thought I would share it here.

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  8. I don't have time to build a map, but the approach I would take if I were doing so would be to search [world timezone filetype:shp OR filetype:kml], I might throw in the word 'polygons' and 'filetype:kmz'.

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  9. Question 1: Prince Edward Island is not due south of Newfoundland as stated, Its about 130 miles south-west. Trick question, I think but then I am on the very left coast.

    jon tU

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  10. 1; again: The islands of St Pierre and Miquelon are a self-governing territorial overseas collectivity of France, They are directly due south of Newfoundland (about 25 miles) and are UTC-3 hours whereas the island of Newfoundland is UTC-3 1/2.

    I further note from the NRC site that time zones in Canada are defined by the provinces and territories. Prior to yesterday I'd have guessed it was because of some federal diktat.

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  11. Entertaining and informative vid here https://youtu.be/-5wpm-gesOY

    He even discusses Google's very own leap smear

    Also good stuff about the Exceptions, Oddities and Notes:
    http://ontimezone.com/exceptions.php
    Important here is his observations that there are many deviations that are unofficial typically vague areas of economic or political influence which defy precise definition. And there are area within areas that are different or even "Official' inside an 'Unofficial" deviation

    jon tU

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  12. Dan, the CIA seems to be at odds with the Taveuni date line placement… an anomaly, bad nomenclature, a CIA conspiracy, a mis-placed Pegman/map pin,
    tourism hook or something simultaneously more complex and/or simple…? what is the ground truth?
    IDL
    Taveuni/IDL
    it might be a CIA/GOO conspiracy to mess with you… Fijian tradecraft and altered reality
    a primer - it is a form of search…

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  13. I don't have time to do the challenge but I do know of a very entertaining book about the creation of time zones so I thought I would leave you all a link to it.

    http://www.quillandquire.com/review/time-lord-the-remarkable-canadian-who-missed-his-train-and-changed-the-world/

    gigi

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  14. For a great read on my provincial time zone PST/PDT/MST/MDT anomaly of Creston BC
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/bc-town-may-end-long-holdout-against-daylight-savings-time/article17712069/

    From our Time Master the National Research COuncil I have just discovered how the date of Easter is arrived at; not at all what I have (sort of) understood and it was defined as such in 1750

    http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/services/time/faq/#Q6

    http://home.kpn.nl/vanadovv/time/Multizones.html#ca This is from Netherlands. I can't believe it but this is the most comprehensive info I have found about my home and native land.
    But a legal decription: Nowhere that I can find.

    British Columbia Pacific time, UTC-8 Most of British Columbia
    British Columbia Mountain time, UTC-7, no DST Peace River Regional District: Chetwynd, Dawson Creek, Fort St. John, Hudson's Hope, Taylor, Tumbler Ridge
    British Columbia Mountain time, UTC-7 South-east part near Selkirk Mountains (East Kootenay region), with Cranbrook, Fernie, Golden, Invermere. M-V: only Creston no DST


    jontU, still trying to get PowerSearching with Google working a week later

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  15. 7•27•15… Langley (OHB,NHB,George Bush Center for Intelligence aka The Wha, What?) is curious… maybe the previous post is on a private server? (originally submitted ~7/24 )
    Dan, the CIA seems to be at odds with the Taveuni date line placement… an anomaly, bad nomenclature, a CIA conspiracy, a mis-placed Pegman/map pin,
    tourism hook or something simultaneously more complex and/or simple…? what is the ground truth?
    IDL
    Taveuni/IDL
    it might be a CIA/GOO conspiracy to mess with you… Fijian tradecraft and altered reality
    a primer - it is a form of search…

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  16. Time Zone Contest: Send us a story, 500 words or less, fiction or non-fiction, that spans two or more Canadian time zones. This could mean a physical transition across time zones (like a road trip), or an implied transition between them (like a phone call). The details are up to you—get creative! We've extended the deadline due to popular demand! Submit by September 1, 2015. - See more at: http://www.geist.com/contests/short-long-distance-writing-contest/short-long-distance/#sthash.TG7isFsZ.dpuf

    http://www.geist.com/contests/short-long-distance-writing-contest/short-long-distance/

    A whole month to do it too

    jon tU who was primed by this CHallenge to notice this contest

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  17. at the risk of severe plagiarism, eh Papa, 1st draft/text experiment…
    ᒧᓗᕗᖅ :
    ᓂᐅᕕᐊᑦᓴᖅ ᓄᑕᕋᖅ ᐱᒋᕗᖅ (seront expédiés aux provinces françaises ou anglaises 10|3)

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