Friday, December 22, 2023

Answer: What makes a national dish?

 If fondue isn't a national dish,  

I'm fond of fondue.  

... what is it?  

Well, it IS a national dish, but as I mentioned last week, fondue was popularized as a Swiss national food by the Swiss Cheese Union (Schweizerische Käseunion) beginning in the 1930s as a way of using up the local excess of cheese.  The Swiss Cheese Union created pseudo-regional recipes as part of the "spiritual defence of Switzerland" before World War II to help out the cheese makers and the dairy industry.  (For more details, see this wonderful article about the cheese cartel that made fondue an international hit. Or, it you want to listen, this Planet Money podcast about the Swiss Cheese Union.) 

 This is all fascinating backstory to this week's Challenge.  What ELSE has been marketed as an authentic food?  I put the Challenge like this: 

1.  What other national foods have become popular as the result of intense marketing?  (I'm especially interested in foods that are presented as being "of the people," but are, in fact, commercial successes driven by clever advertising?)  Can you find one or two? 

I thought this might be a great question for the LLMs, and so I tried multiple attempts to get ChatGPT, Claude, and Bard to give me an answer.  

I'll spare you all of the prompts I created, but basically, I got very little.  With prompts like "what well-known national foods are actually the product of marketing campaigns?" I learned about marketing successes (e.g., Campbell's soups; Chiquita bananas; McDonalds hamburgers), but little about foods that are associated with particular countries (as fondue is with Switzerland).  

Bard: Of the suggestions Bard made: Poutine (Canada); Big Mac (US); and Hambúrguer Artesanal (Brazil).  Those are okay, I guess, but the marketing push behind each is a bit lackadaisical... nothing like the Swiss Cheese Union.  

ChatGPT: Slightly better: American fast food as a category (US); Fettuccine Alfredo (Italy); Sushi (Japan)... these are all popular foods, but none that were driven by clever advertising or marketing.  


One of the things that became clear to me was that I was a little ambiguous about what my SRS goal actually should be.  Was I looking for well-known national foods (like poutine or Big Macs), or was I looking for national foods that reached success because of an advertising/marketing campaign?  

As I often say here in SRS, you've got to be clear about what your research goal actually is so you'll know success when you see it.  

Naturally, it's okay to learn-as-you-go, but at some point you have to figure out what success will mean. 

I decided that I really wanted a well-known national food that became prominent internationally because of an intense marketing or advertising campaign.  

What did work?  Several friends wrote to me to suggest foods that they learned were market campaign-driven:  SPAM, chicken tikka masala, Vegemite, and even peanut butter were all suggested as advertising-driven successes of national foods.  

Reading up on these I found that: 

SPAM was given a big boost by the maker, Hormel, as the result of SPAM's ubiquity during World War II.  Advertising was a big component of pushing SPAM onto the global stage. (Massive distribution during World War II didn't hurt either, making SPAM incredibly popular in Oceania.)  

Chicken tikka masala, while immensely popular, doesn't seem to have been driven by advertising.  It's clearly a very British product that has become popular by word-of-mouth and news stories, even though it seems very Indian.  

Vegemite, the intensely-flavored Australian yeast extract spread, WAS intensely marketed at the product's initial production (in the 1920s) and led to vegemite becoming a distinctly Australian food.   

While peanut butter is often thought of as American, its invention is credited to three people with early patents on the production of modern peanut butter. (1) Marcellus Gilmore Edson of Montreal, Quebec, Canada, obtained the first patent for a method of producing peanut butter from roasted peanuts using heated surfaces in 1884.  (2) A businessman from St. Louis, George Bayle, produced and sold peanut butter in the form of a snack food in 1894. And  (3) John Harvey Kellogg (yes, THAT Kellogg) was issued a patent for a "Process of Producing Alimentary Products" in 1898 with peanuts, although he boiled the nuts rather than roasting them.  There's been a fair bit of marketing, but again, nothing quite as intense as the Swiss push on fondue.   

But how can we find all of these--and more!--by searching? 

My first regular Google search  was: 

     [ national dish food marketing campaign ] 

which led me to a fascinating book, "National Dish: Around the World in Search of Food, History, and the Meaning of Home" by Anya von Bremzen.  This is basically a compendium of the backstories of various foods, showing how sometimes national foods have a messy beginning.  For instance, she points out that Andalusian gazpacho were not just simple Spanish regional foods, but dishes historically cooked across the country. She points out that La Sección Femenina, the women’s branch of Spain’s fascist movement, identified some foods (like gazpacho) with specific regions, as part of its work to create “a sanitized, politically acceptable form of cultural diversity.”

I also found the Wikipedia page on National Dishes (have to admit that I wasn't expecting this page to exist--there must be a lot of foodies among Wikipedians). Scanning that list shows a lot of national dishes, some of which I recognized as very popular.  

I spot checked a bunch of them: Wiener schnitzel (Austria), empanadas (Bolivia), Peking duck (China), pot-au-feu (France) and about ten others. The nearly all of the national dishes I checked became national dishes over the course of great spans of time, without any particular interference or promotion.  They really are of the land and the people.  

However, two Japanese foods that are known world-wide qualify as marketing/advertising driven:  

Ramen is a massive international success that was driven in the US by the introduction of instant ramen noodles (beloved by college students), and by Chef David Chang's introduction of ramen at Momofuku in New York City in 2004, driven by a clever influencer campaign.   (Incidentally, Momofuku Ando was the name of the inventor of the instant ramen noodle.)  

Likewise, but to a lesser extent, sushi seems to have become an international success by marketing, although that effort was a bit hodge-podge with many small pushes from multiple players rather than one large company.  

I found those through friends (thanks, friends!) and by manual work from the National Dishes Wikipedia page. 

But then I had the thought, what if I limited my previous search to just Wikipedia? Like this: 

     [ site:Wikipedia.org national dish food marketing campaign ] 

What would I find?  

Answer:  Several additional dishes and a bunch that you can look up on your own.  MY favorites from this search... 

Ploughman's Lunch (Britain, marketing campaign by the Cheese Bureau and the Milk Marketing Board, shades of the Schweizerische Käseunion!

Lamb (Australia, marketing by Meat and Livestock Australia, the MLA)

Kentucky Fried Chicken (USA, marketing by KFC, which scored a massive success in making KFC the default Christmas dinner in Japan)

Coca-Cola (USA, the Coke company has run one of the most successful marketing campaigns in history for over 100 years)


SearchResearch Lessons 

1.  LLMs sometimes just don't deliver.  I spent at least two hours trying to convince Bard and ChatGPT to give me something useful.  And yes, I tried all of the clever prompt engineering tricks I could think of, but nothing seemed to work.  Ah well... they're not the universal solution to all known problems. 

2. Friends!  I was happily impressed by the number of friends who had suggestions. Don't ever underestimate the value of a good social network.  I got text messages from some friends who'd seen the post, some comments on my other networks (e.g, LinkedIn or Facebook), and a couple of direct emails.  Ah, friends.  Good to have them as an extension to my brain.  

3. Wikipedia lists.  I should know by now that there is a list for almost everything.  National foods is not an exception to this rule.  Remember to look for "list of" something when you're searching for a category.  

4. Use site: over a large resource.  For instance, my use of my previous search query, when restricted to Wikipedia actually helped me find a few new suggestions.  Don't forget the power of limiting your search!  


As we close out the year, I'm going to take a couple of weeks off and start anew in 2024. I'll be moving back from Switzerland to California in the next few days and restart my life there.  It's been wonderful to explore Zürich and the Swiss countryside from a different perspective, that of someone who is new to the place--a new country to discover, what more could you ask for as a Christmas present.  That's what I got, and I hope you enjoyed learning a bit about the place as much as I did.  

See you in January, 2024.  Have a wonderful holiday season and New Year! 


Keep searching!  

21 comments:

  1. Has no one mentioned pad Thai? I think that qualifies.

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  2. searching‽‽‽ - how did fondue get me to this? via middle english
    https://www.rct.uk/collection/912771/the-punishment-of-tityus

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierce_the_Ploughman%27s_Crede
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Plowman%27s_Tale
    maybe it (the MICHELANGELO BUONARROTI drawing) is an allegory for 'search'?… so long 2023, bye, bye liver ramen…
    sometimes searching is synonymous with confusion and that
    can oddly be a relief.
    milk bar-esque - https://www.ifyougiveablondeakitchen.com/momofuku-crack-pie-recipe/
    will google evolve to HOOGLE?

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  3. the Chickpea Promotion, Expansion & Oversight Board insisted these be sent:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chickpea_dishes
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legume_dishes
    "It's actually a legume. Peanuts are legumes, which are edible seeds enclosed in pods, and are in the same family as beans, lentils, and peas. Meanwhile, tree nuts, which include but are not limited to, walnuts, cashews, almonds, and pecans, are all produced on trees."
    oh wait, it's from Harvard - may be plagiarized? ;^P
    https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/legume-of-the-month-peanuts

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  4. https://www.matrix.edu.au/literary-techniques-intertextuality/
    https://omeka.uottawa.ca/linking-cultures/cultural-appropriation-yu
    … made me wonder – how woke are the quasi-neutral Swiss?

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  5. 10 million? over what period of time?
    have they checked their southern border?
    2.5 here – most say they are seeking decent fondue…
    https://www.opb.org/article/2023/12/22/an-unprecedented-year-in-immigration-and-in-anti-immigration-rhetoric/

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/23/switzerland-populists-svp-promise-less-political-correctness-after-election-win
    https://www.lemonde.fr/en/europe/article/2023/10/23/switzerland-right-wing-populist-swiss-people-s-party-dominates-general-election_6195513_143.html

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  6. Happy Holidays, Dr. Russell. Thanks for another great year of SRS Challenges!

    Have a good return and happy blessed Christmas and a best possible 2024.

    About the Challenge, always interesting to read your Lessons and Answer.

    About empanadas, in my case at least, the ones known and famous are from Argentina not Bolivia.

    I wonder if Kellogg's cereal could fit in the answer. I also think tacos , at least in the United States, are famous partially because marketing even when most tacos there are not really tacos.

    I'll keep looking for Mexican dishes that could fit. I'll try your path this time.

    Btw, comments are gone again. System keeps making you work double, Dr. Russell.

    Cheers everyone and Happy Holidays

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    1. a personal favorite?
      https://www.afar.com/magazine/the-6-types-of-tacos-you-need-to-try-in-mexico-city
      счастливого Рождества и счастливого Нового года - это действительно был год
      https://40aprons.com/reuben-tacos/
      https://www.melaniecooks.com/russian-chebureki-recipe/8744/
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vAFMQjKH1o
      cheers…

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    2. These are awesome! Both tacos and cemitas (special bread from Puebla that can be used with many ingredients)

      https://m.facebook.com/carnitaslosarcosderivera

      You have a favorite one, Remmij? Your favorite food?

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    3. not a big taco guy, but these aren't bad - despite not being "real" t'os (hard to find really good tortillas - simple but elusive…)
      it's the holidays, trying to avoid food/poundage ;^] 🎅
      https://houseofnasheats.com/navajo-tacos-indian-fry-bread/

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    4. For those who don't know what cemitas are:

      https://www.gob.mx/agricultura/articulos/cemita-poblana-un-manjar-relleno-de-un-sinfin-de-sabores

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    5. had to search - was not familiar with pápalo
      thanks for the info.
      https://worldcrops.org/crops/papalo

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    6. "Pápalo was used in the Azteca era, but never as medicine, only as food.[citation needed]
      One study claims that pápalo exhibits some health benefits such as lowering cholesterol, lowering blood pressure, and aiding digestion"
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porophyllum_ruderale
      https://www.homesicktexan.com/what-do-you-know-its-papalo/

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    7. You're welcome, Remmij.

      Papalo is mostly used in cemitas. It tastes different. It's strong flavor. I'm sure you would like it because makes food better.

      Dr. Russell, have you tried it? In many tamales are also used.

      In other musical topics, I was thinking about Carol of the Bells. Still don't remember how I knew about it. Maybe Home Alone but not sure.
      History is complicated as video tells;

      https://youtu.be/eQq9rgBrUMo?si=kA0bZAnDf_-ppzU-

      Any of you like this Carol? It's is magical even without the original swallow

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  7. "I think, therefore I Spam"
    https://www.eater.com/2014/7/9/6191681/a-brief-history-of-spam-an-american-meat-icon

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  8. Spam Musubi
    https://www.favfamilyrecipes.com/musubi/
    https://omnivorescookbook.com/spam-musubi/

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  9. Ramon - maybe you can get Dan to sort the comment thing out?
    ¿Quizás puedas pedirle a Dan que solucione el tema del comentario? ;^/ just kidding… (is g☀☀gle still messing with him over the lawsuit?…)
    the comments are tacoed… (can taco be a verb?)
    https://pos.toasttab.com/blog/on-the-line/taco-quotes-and-captions
    https://i.imgur.com/pdGROCE.gif
    more kidding, it's just tacos…
    https://i.imgur.com/SSxIcjd.jpg
    veggie:
    https://itsavegworldafterall.com/radish-and-black-bean-tacos/

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    1. If I could fix the comments, I would. There's been some change (i.e., a new bug) in Blogger that un-accepts some comments for reasons that are not obvious. As a consequence, once I accept a comment, blogger un-accepts after a day or two, then I have to re-accept it. Each re-accept takes time because you can't just select a bunch of comments and re-accept them all--oh no, you have to do them one-at-a-time.

      Overall, it looks like Blogger is running on a skeleton crew, without capacity to keep it running at full speed. Eventually something will seriously break, and then we'll have to find a new platform. Medium? Substack? Who knows!

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    2. Thanks for the reply/insight — "i.e., a new bug) in Blogger that un-accepts some comments for reasons that are not obvious." —is what I'm curious about - are all comments reviewed /moderated by blogger? why would it supersede the author's acceptance? is this an example of an LLM at work or a simple coding glitch, etc..
      I'll try to refrain from future whine about the comment magic.

      kinda wrong, but international & holy Swiss promotion at work… leaving the landlocked should be a nice change.
      https://www.facebook.com/TheJoshElkin/posts/cuban-tacos-with-swiss-cheese-pita-taco-shells-roasted-pork-smoked-ham-pickles-a/2367754403306335/
      https://www.food.com/recipe/aztec-taco-fondue-260744
      safe travels
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landlocked_country

      the blogger skeletal crew?
      https://i.imgur.com/aYZpnPz.jpg
      (wonder if the bug will eat this one too?)

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    3. Thanks Dr. Russell for working double or even more with the comments. I appreciate it a lot.

      Maybe you could post on YouTube in Community tab?

      Reading about possible new home for SRS makes me so happy! That means you will keep doing Challenges in 2024!

      I'll follow you wherever you go and keep learning, discovering and enjoying the Joy of Search.

      In the new platform you can accept or not accept comments? Because there's a lot of accounts that send unwanted messages in Social Media

      About the bug, I think it's something that "read" and think is "S.am" because in Gmail if the word or something similar is written by someone system sends it to other carpet even if author is someone which writes to me everyday.

      Also wondering if other accounts have same issues on Blogger.

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    4. Just to wish a fantastic New Year 2024 to Dr. Russell and everyone of us that comes here every day or week to be part of each Search Research Challenge

      Cheers everyone. Hopefully we will have a good one!

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    5. Radetzky 2024 to start the Year Musically. Dr. Russell, I'm sure you play this song in piano magically

      https://youtu.be/T1t7k29lhoE?si=S7G2T9XYAy3Z-BC9

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